McVey and Mendoza going mental again

F' off McCunt. You go out of your way to degrade white fighters, and call others bigots when they post news paper results on black fighters.

I posted a source that says the Jack Johnson vs. Jim Johnson fight was scheduled for 20 ROUNDS! Source Cyber Boxing Zone.:deal Or if you prefer read the Unforgivable Blackness doc on the fight.:deal

I am not sure if Johnson lied about the knockdown in the Langford fight or not. You're going to have to deal with inconvenient truths on your pet crock jockey who for all I know has been dead for longer than you have been alive.

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You have your pets, Jeffries and the Klits, no sepia tones there!

I thought you said Unforgivable Blackness has many errors?
Johnson did not lie about the knockdown in the Langford fight because he never said he was knocked down ,that book was NOT written by Johnson.
Langford,Woodman ,his manager, and eyewitness accounts, state Langford received a beating, he had his nose broken and cuts around both eyes as well as being floored and receiving a long count.

"Jack Johnson handed me the only real beating I ever took". Sam Langford.

Jack Johnson has been dead two years longer than I have been alive. But he will never die, all the time hate merchants like you spew forth vitriolic claptrap and slander, because inadvertently you keep his name alive on forums like these.
Your anathemic hatred is so blatant, that posters who, probably couldn''t give a stuff about Lil Arthur, come to his defence.

Since you choose to beleive Cyberzone on the scheduled distance of the Johnson v Johnson fight,does this mean you accept their appraisal of Jack Johnson's abilities?

NAMELY THE FOLLOWING.

"JOHNSON IS RATED AS POSSIBLY THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT WHO EVER FOUGHT."

"HE WAS A MASTER OF DEFENCE AND ALLMOST FLAWLESS IN ALL OTHER ASPECTS OF PUGILISM"

Surely, if you accept one peice of information ,you must accept the next?

N.B.I defined the term bigot for you many months ago. I know you have learning difficulties so let me recap ,it has different connotations .When I apply it to you it means , " closed mind ", and I use the term mind loosely.

You are the one who called me a racist arsehole remember ?
Me with the Jewish Wife, and Asian best friend.

ps.My favourite heavyweight is Jack Dempsey, last time I looked he was white.

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I am disappointed at the quality of your response ,you are really not capable of putting up a defence anymore, you should be retired by your corner , for being in no position to defend yourself.

 

"Jack Johnson is now the logical opponent for Champion Jim Jeffries.

The color line gag does not go now.Johnson has met all comers in his class.
He has defeated each and every one.

Now he stands, ready to box for the worlds Championship.
When they meet ,the world will see a battle,before which the gladitorial contests of Ancient Rome pale into insignificance,and meet they someday will .
It is up to Jeffries to say when".

Los Angeles Times. November 29th 1903

In 1903 Jeffries had one fight ,a title defence against Jim Corbett who had been retired for 3 years and was 3 months off his 37 th birthday.

In 1903 Johnson had 7 fights ,winning them all, 3 over Sandy Ferguson ,2 over Sam McVey, a 3rd ko over Joe Butler and a pts win over Denver Ed Martin.

He would fight Jeffries
7 years later.

 

So, clearly Johnson had established himself as the outstanding challenger by the latter half of 1903. Is there any reason to believe he had been the nr. 1 contender long before that? He won the coloured title in February of that year. Surely, this must be the earliest possible point for him to be seen as Jeffries' top challenger?

He lost to Hart in March 1905, clearly damaging his claim as the nr. 1 contender. So it seems to me that he was the clear top contender for about 20-25 months.

Ps. Incidentally, Boxrec claims that "..Manager McCarey of the Century Athletic Club announced that he would offer a $15,000 guarantee for a match between Jeffries and Johnson" after Johnson beat Martin in October 1904.

 

Interesting information, B thanks for posting it.:good

 

Anaconda Standard 13 fer, 1902

JEFFRIES AND ED MARTIN
Portland Club Decides to Offer a
Parse of Fifteen Thousand for
a Twenty-Round Match.
Portland, Ore., Feb. 12.—At a meeting
of the managers of the Pastime club
of this city it was decided to instruct
Managers Day and Grant to offer a
purse of $15.000 for a 20-round contest
between Champion Jim Jeffries
and "Denver" Ed Martin. The contest
to take place some time in May.
A certified check for $5,000 will be deposited
by the club as a guarantee of
good faith on the acceptance of its
proposition by both men.

 

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He also happened to be one of the greatest fighters who ever lived, the first black heavyweight champion of the world, and by most measures, among the top three or four heavyweight champs of all time.

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Hulton Archive/Getty ImagesJack Johnson is knocked out in the 26th round by Jess Willard during their 1915 world heavyweight title bout in Havana, Cuba. Willard took the title that Johnson had held since 1908.


Born in Galveston, Texas, on March 31, 1878, Johnson grew up poor in a town where blacks weren't allowed to use the same sidewalks as whites. After a modicum of schooling, he found work in the docks, and honed his fighting skills in barbaric "Battle Royals," in which six to eight men -- all blindfolded and all black -- fought until only one remained standing.

Such was the nature of these spectacles that boxing was actually a rung or two above them on society's ladder, and it was to boxing that Johnson turned, winning his first professional bout in 1897. In 1901, he suffered a knockout loss at the fists of the far more experienced Joe Choynski, following which both combatants were arrested for participating in unsanctioned fights. While in jail, Choynski taught the crude Johnson the finer points of pugilism; after regaining his freedom, Johnson became increasingly adept at his craft, and garnered growing attention for his abilities.

"If you go back to 1903, the sporting press was already saying, 'This Jack Johnson's one of the best heavyweights in the world,'" said Kevin Smith, author of "The Sundowners: The History of the Black Prizefighter 1870-1930". "In 1904, they were talking about him as an opponent for [heavyweight champ Jim] Jeffries, and by 1905, when Jeffries started talking publicly about retirement, they were saying the only real fight left out there for him was Johnson."
Instead of fighting Johnson, Jeffries retired, handpicked the two white boxers he had selected to battle out his succession and refereed the contest himself. Johnson was denied an opportunity to fight for the championship until the title finally passed into the hands of a Canadian, Tommy Burns, who, after much cajoling and the promise of the then-hugely attractive purse of $30,000, faced Johnson in Australia

 

McVey, the only point of contention I have with your post is the fact I could never find anything to suggest that Jeffries had anything to do with selecting Hart and Root to fight for the vacant title.

 

Jeffries later denied selecting them, he said it was the promoters idea to affix his name to it,but he was very late in coming forth and saying so.
They were not my words I put it up to emphasise that Johnsons stature as a leading contender was realised earlier than is admitted by certain posters, [that should really be poster]
Several news clippings have showed Johnson to be in the forefront of contenders as early as 1903.
Likewise news clippings have showed that Jeffries DID make the quote about not being able to beat Johnson in a thousand years.
I have posted an account of the Johnson Langford fight which shows Langford was the benificiary of a long count ,was floored twice and did NOT floor Johnson. I forget which poster put up the news clipping of the Johnson v Johnson fight, which clearly reads it was a scheduled 10 round fight.At the end of the day, hatred can blind people and their objectivity goes out of the window.

 

Mendoza, I think you are mistaken as regards "Unforgivable Blackness", it never mentions twenty rounds at all.

 

Actually it was I!-I have a copy of pre fight write ups in French and ad's which speak of "Dix rounde"- I trust your French is up to that!

 

Yes it's rusty but adequate thanks.

I knew it had been posted but could not remember who by?

Mendoza will not accept it anyway, he will repeat the same old lies at a later date, as though evidence to the contrary had never been produced.
No matter, I have no interest in educating him , only yanking his chain from time to time.

 

It can be a little annoying sometimes because I think he knows well. Ah well....

 

In 1901 he was a novice and in 1903 he was considered a very skilled and scientific fighter. The question is how much this very rapid transition is down to the general skill level of the time and how much it is down to Johnson's obviously fantastic talent. Did he have a regular trainer?