Micky Walker against these heavyweights how does he do?

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  1. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As far as technique and skills the guys Carnera fought were better than WIllards Opponents. Even if lot of those guys were setups, Carnera seemed to turn into a pretty decent fighter and got some good wins that were on the up and up.
     
  2. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When recently re-watching Schmeling-Walker in it's entirety for the first time in a long time, it's obvious he was badly over matched, but his tenacity was startling. Only a near peak ATG heavyweight could have swamped Mickey the way Max did, and Walker made it obvious why he was able to recently beat HW contenders Risko, Wright, Levinski and Uzcudun.
     
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    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's still one of the gamest performances I've seen on film. Walker got some of his punches in but he wasn't able to hurt Schmeling at all. Schmeling on the other hand hurt Walker with every punch.

    He did have a pretty good heavyweight run. Fights against Burns and Langford (middleweight version) would be interesting because there's not a huge size difference.
     
  4. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Walker fought about 17 heavyweights and did quite well with them overrall. He was about 30 years old when he started aiming at them and did so because, funny enough, his powers of youth were dissipating and he believed that heavyweights were "easier."

    His best performance in the land of the giants was -easily- the Sharkey fight. Make no mistake. Mickey won that, and did so because he knew how to fight big guys -unlike modern American HW's and their trainers who haven't the faintest idea. Westbrook Pegler wrote that Sharkey stood over Mickey like "a steeple over a woodshed" and threw his shots at Walker like "a man throwing shoes out his window at a singing tomcat." Mickey, blocked, slipped, rolled, and countered him.

    Mickey managed to stagger him in the seventh and again in the eleventh, took his shots, and swarmed him in close to the body and with overhands.

    Sharkey at the time was coming off that DQ loss to Schmeling and was considered the top dog among the HWs.

    The previous spring, Mickey faced Bearcat Wright who was a monster for the time. Wright was 6'1 and a solid 210. He put Mickey down in the first, but after that, according to the NYT, Mickey owned him. Wright went down in round 2... it was a ref's decision and it was Mickey's --easily. Wright at defeated a faded Jack Johnson and Sam Langford.

    Walker was fading though, and Schmeling was too skilled and most importantly, too fast. Mickey preferred to fight HWs because they were relatively slow...

    I think he'd beat Burns. I also think that he'd beat Langford at the end of Langford's career.

    Wills? No way. Wills could and would turn up the heat and Mickey would be a splotch on the canvas.

    Willard? I don't think so, but it is not totally out of the question. Willard was a big, basic, predictable fighter who was not skilled in any real sense of the word. Mickey was, by contrast, highly skilled, and would not be averse to wearing cleets in the ring so that he could climb Jess to pound on his cranium.

    Tunney at HW? No way. Greb couldn't. Mickey ain't either.

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  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Assuming Rocky does not get the tko or knockout before the first 15 or so rounds, I cant even see Rocky keeping up that pace for 45 rounds. I think Willard would get to Rocky if he makes it past the first 15 rounds. Rocky would sooner or later just punch himself out.
     
  6. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    good post intresting read, walker was a freak of nature the guy didnt even hardly train, but yet could be too rank heavyweights
     
  7. janitor

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    Good analysis.

    I think that Burns vs Walker would be a pick em fight.

    If Tommy Loughran got past Walker then I think that Tunney would.

    Schmeling did what all the previous heavyweights who faced Walker should have done, and I fancy that Wills would do the same.

    That having been said, Walker was unlucky in his opponents here. You could choose a list of heavyweights who would make him look awsome.
     
  8. bodhi

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    Well, I don“t think he would fight at his normal pace in a fight to the finish. The question is how much of his effectivity would be taken away by a lower pace.
     
  9. anarci

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    Dont you know that Willard and all those turn of the century guys,did not fight at near the same pace as Modern day fighters especially Marciano:huh The old fight films show that,and common sense will tell you that. Besides the point i just made. Willard probably wouldnt have made it out the 3rd round vs Marciano. IF by chance he did make it past that,Willard would be forced to fight at Marcianos pace and he would get tired before the Rock.