Of course but come on, he has yet to dominate the elite of the class. Look at the others Mosley killing Margo. Margo making Cotto quit. Cotto deserves the credit no doubt but you can easily argue he's lost all 3 of his major fights. Of course but it seems like with an exception that Cotto could easily be outside of that top fighter crop.
Very few fighters are able to dominate all the elite of their class. Wlad Klitschko is an example, but very few guys are able to achieve that. Margo hardly dominated in his fight with Cotto, he got a beating for 6-7 rounds before managing an impressive comeback to win via TKO. That's not domination. Sure, Mosley dominated Margo, but that's just one fight. All I mean is, the WW division is a very strong division, it's not easy for one fighter to be that much better than the others and be able to dominate all of his A-class opponents. Sry, didn't get this one. Care to explain?
Styles make fights first and foremost secondly, Cotto made Quintana quit who remains to be the only man to defeat PTP. Cotto also koed Jab which Mayweather was unable to do.
Yea but he has to even do it once. It seems like he's a fighter that's just on that verge of being up there with the top fighters but his performances are lacking everytime. Margo didn't take a beating IMO. He just did his normal thing and Cotto made it look flashy in the process. It's the way he finish the fight that impressed me. His physically dominated Cotto for the 2nd half ofthe fight forcing hi mt oquit. He dominated Cotto. I was saying, I agree he's not untouchable and that he manages to stay with the top of the class but with a round going to someone else a decision could have been against him and he would be sitting the lower half. I think Cotto is a B level fighter with A level talent but he lacks defense and that will hold him back.
True but we all saw what a focused PW did to Quintana. Mayweather didn't do what Cotto did to Zab because of three reasons. Cotto has more power and his style is something that achieves KOs more often that Mayweather does. Mayweather was in his 4th weight class. And Judah was fresh coming off a loss to Baldomir. Cotto fought a Judah that not won in over 2 years and had not fought in over a year. And to top it off. It took Cotto 11 rounds to finish Zab. You act like he blew him out in 5 or something.
I'm not acting like anything. I'm simply stating a fact. You talk about the things that Cotto hasn't accomplished such as not dominating elite opponents and I simply and stating the things that he has accomplished. Period.
Well by pointing out that he dominate Judah means what? Nothing, Judah was not an elite when Cotto fought him but to further add to the argument you mention Mayweather like it has to do with anything. We are discussing Cotto not Mayweather. He accomplished TKOing a very rusty Judah after 11 rounds. You compare it to Mayweathers like it means anything. Mayweather was on his was to finishing Zab off before the low blow and rabbit punch.
Me mentioning Mayweather remains in context to this discussion being that you first mentioned the accomplishments of Mosley dominating Margo. And if you want to discredit Cotto's win over Jab then fine; I won't argue your opinion of that fight, I will however defend his win over Quintana who was undefeated at the time.
Quintana was a good win but his biggest win coming into the Cotto fight has been beating Diaz who went on to still do nothing big. Quintana beat Williams but he was not an elite of the division even after that. That fight was closer than its made out to be. Williams wasn't dominated. Like I said before we all saw what happened with a focused Williams. Cottos win against Judah was good no doubt but its nothing great given the circumstances. You mentioning Mayweather seemed like you were trying to **** me off considering i don't see how anyone can compare Cottos win over Judah to Mayweathers. Mayweathers victory was better than Cottos.
Ah, it seems that we have a different view of the term then. For me, what Mayweather did to Gatti is domination, what Mosley did to Margarito, what Vitali Klitschko did to Samuel Peter. Not what Margo did to Cotto. Margo had about 1,5-2 impressive rounds overall vs Cotto, to me that's not domination. An impressive and important win sure it was. Also, your statement that "one can easily argue he's lost all 3 of his major fights" is not accurate. From what I can tell by reading ppl's views and talking about the matter, the majority thinks Cotto beat both Mosley and Clottey in close decisions. Imo it would be unfair for Cotto if someone claims he lost those fights, cause he didn't. And if you ask me, this is probably the reason some Cotto fans complain about Cotto not getting the credit he deserves (which is not the case for me, I think he does get credit). Fair enough. Imo he's somewhere between B+ and A-, but the defense is an issue he has to work on, as well as learning to use tactics and react in difficult situations (stay off the ropes, clinch when needed) Also he has to improve his stamina.
He gets plenty of credit it's just that some Cotto nuhuggers aren't satisfied unless you bowdown and hang Cotto posters all over your wall and get a tatoo on your face saying he is the greatest fighter that ever lived. I remember a while back I got into a debate on here with one poster that felt that Cotto was the hardest puncher in the division p4p. I acknowledged that Cotto was a big puncher but just not #1 and the dude wouldn't STFU about it.
One can easily argue here, that Quintana wasn't focused in the second fight, that's why he lost the way he did. PW is an elite fighter and he had 12 rounds to get focused vs a B-level opponent. He lost that fight fair and square, saying that "he wasn't focused" is an excuse and to me by saying that you degrade a great accomplishment for a lesser fighter like Quintana.
Quintana's greatest victory pre Cotto was his defeat of the unbeaten Joel Julio. I will agree that PTP wasn't focused in his loss to Quintana however it doesn't change the fact that Quintana easily out boxed him on that night. Cotto absolutely destroyed Quintana who embarrassingly quit on his stool with his corner who pleaded for him to fight one more round. It's a quality win for Cotto and shouldn't be slighted in the least.
Not a complete domination but what he did to him to the end fight was a domination. Maybe thats just me because he made him submit. I think Cotto gets a lot of credit for beating both Mosley and Clottey. Too much IMO. As I feel the Mosley fight was close and see a lot of people arguing that he lost the Clottey fight (I have yet to watch it but my father watched it and had Clottey winning but said he could see Cotto winning) I think Cotto is overrated and over credited a lot on this board. I dont think he can improve on his defense, I think he's always going to be the same. A great offense with a bad defense. Maybe the best bet is he becomes more aggresive so his offense is his defense.