Marvin Hart. If you were durable and good, Dokes would struggle against you. Dokes was a very good fighter- for about 3 rounds. After that, there wasn't much to him.
Is this the Tex Cobb who was 6 foot 3 and a solid 230 pounds versus the Marvin Hart who was 5 foot 11 and 190 fleshy pounds? The replies so far just tell this board is more akin to Dungeons and Dragons than actual boxing analysis. But that's fine. You people need a place, too.
It's just very obvious what you're trying to do here. But keep in mind that Jack Johnson weighed a mere 185 pounds himself at the time he fought Marvin Hart whom he outboxed by all accounts, only to lose a decision based on aggressiveness. "Tex" Cobb too would have beaten Dokes with judges of that sort, and likely would have stopped him in a 20 round contest.
Dokes easily, inside 3 too big, too skilled, too fast, too good defensively. times change and these eras are just too far apart. i would favor John L. Gardner over Hart tbh
I'm merely carrying over a tangent started in another thread. There was the claim that Hart would defeat Dokes. I found that indicative of how far off track from reality that discussion had progressed and thought it a good point to start a new discussion. No hidden machinations here. Furthermore, if we are speaking prime for prime, Dokes could be very aggressive. He possessed preternatural speed, decent clout and pushed the attack. I am not sure that Hart, who throughout most of the best part of his career was a puffy light heavy would hold up under the attack. And lastly, I have already discussed the point that many of Johnson's greatest victories were when he was 190 and under. I don't see the logic in celebrating those wins, then claiming that weight was also a handicap when it is convenient to his legacy. Unless you insist on having your cake and eating it, too.
He could be aggressive for about 5 rounds. That would likely be enough to put Hart away, but Dokes in his prime had 20-30 pounds on him. Nobody is saying it was a handicap against the likes of Marvin Hart who weighed 190 pounds himself. But obviously a young Jack Johnson did not enjoy the kind of size difference that Dokes would over Hart. I have no doubt that an older, heavier and more experienced Johnson would stop Hart. When you look at Dokes's results against a rough and tough opponent of his size, he did not fare too well. Let's not act like "Tex" Cobb could actually box, the man was every bit as crude as any early 1900s boxer. Put Dokes in a 20 round fight against Cobb, with judges looking for any way to steal a decision off him, and he probably would not have had it going his way like he did in winning a 4 round SD and a 10 round MD over Cobb.
Cobb would have been classified as a Goliath in the early 1900's. This was not intended to be a joke thread. And people seem to have no problem picking Jack Johnson over modern fighters. This should be no more difficult.
I don't think I've seen Marvin Hart on film - and if I have I can't remember him. I suspect Dokes would beat him. Hart wasn't considered much good in his own time, and Dokes was big and extremely fast-handed at his best.