Mike Tyson Vs. George Foreman

Great post, especially the fact that you pointed out that Tyson unlike Frazier doesnt need to be in as close to be effective whereas Frazier needs to be inside to do damage.

 

Great post. I agree on all points except I think Tyson either quits on the stool or gets KOed before the 9th; maybe between 5th and 7th. His lack of heart would cost him the fight more than the physical disadavantages.

 

Tyson had heart....and in his prime he was resiliant and showed courage in his fights....


If you are using the Tyson from 1995-onwards then maybe but the Tyson from 86-88 there is simply no way he quits.

 

Prime Tyson beats the daylights out of Foreman.
He'd be in tremendous shape, and would be first to the punch everytime, as Ali was.

You dont beat Prime Tyson with no defence, and Foremans defence was his face.

Yes Foreman was an awesome puncher, but I think he threat of that stops Mike getting lazy, and because of that, I think he boxes beautifully, and stops Foreman around 8.

 

I a shoot-out I'd go for the fighter with the bigger heart and stronger chin any day. If I had much faster hands than my opponent, the last thing I'd opt for is a straight shoot-out. Foreman would accept being hit with good shots, Tyson less so. He spat his dummy out when he was hit solidly, then shortly after would usually complain to the ref about something or other.

 

I think that his lack of heart was more apparant after the last true vestige of Cus was excluded (that would be Rooney). Tyson showed heart, but did he have heart? -I don't think so. He was a true fighter with great physical powers and a studious mind for the sport and for the history of the sport... but as a man, he was propped up. King has a criminal mind. Tyson became a thug. Thugs are almost universally fraudulant when it comes to tests of character.

The long and the short of it is that I don't believe he'd quit on George during his prime Cus/Rooney years. He might afterwards. Either way, his resilience when hurt has to be questioned.

 

Foreman Via Early K.o. Tyson Always Had Problems With Bigger Men.tyson Was A Programed Fighter Who Did Not Know What To Do When His Man Did Not Fall Within 5 Or 6 Rounds.he Also Had Very Little Heart.

 

Maybe like he did vs Lyle- trade punch for punch when he was hurt. In fact, there moments in that fight were he seems to be deliberately giving lyle free shots.

 

It won't get to the groggy stage. Tyson will be mashed before that. Remember, despite Tyson's supposed great chin (it was good of course) he was stunned when hit cleanly a fair few times. In Holy I, his legs go funny after a short right, which is nothing special, his instinct was to then fight back and he got nailed with a clean shot- again he was stunned. The Lewis uppercut early on totally took the fight out of him. That's not prime Tyson people say, but prime Tyson didn't have the quality of 'Vander and Lennox in the other corner, just a load of woefully out of shape lemons. This sounds a bit harsh on him because he was a fine fighter. I just really don't think he'd win a shoot-out with Foreman- and the thing is, he'd definitely become embroiled in one (in my book). If he could avoid it, he'd have a good chance.

 

Same way he did when Cooney nailed him with that massive hook of his. I don't believe Mike had the kind of firepower Gerry could generate on his hook with his substantial height and build. Mike wasn't able to drop Green, Smith or Tucker, none of whom were particularly mobile cuties, and all of whom I think George could have taken out. If Mike managed to catch George, he'd wake up the sleeping giant, rather than sending him to dreamworld. Once Foreman was roused into a sense of urgency by a slugging confrontation, his opponent's number of seconds in an upright position declined precipitiously. Tyson had outstanding speed, which he would need to use in trying to keep George in a defensive shell. That might become problematic once Foreman places his mitts on Mike's broad low shoulders, then shoves down and away. (This is one area where Joe Louis would have an enormous advantage over Mike, when it came to neutralizing George's shoving tactics. When facing his opponent, the Bomber could seemingly narrow himself enough to squeeze through a needle. He could have managed to slip through Foreman's paws on the way in.)

 

Foreman TKO

 

No. He's not that effective when he tastes his opponents power. Foreman rose from the deck to win, Tyson didn't. If he went down- game over, of course he never finished a fight (even to lose) once he was floored.