Mike Tyson vs Joe Frazier

Yes, you know whats it like to get hit, as I do. I agree with what you said, and I think that explains it very well. Thats why I added Tyson was a tremendous finisher once he hurt someone. He had the ability to put his punches together to stop his opponents and thats why you rarely saw his opponents survive one or two knockdowns. He didnt really knock guys out like George did, he stopped them with multiple shots as they were frozen.

 

I explained my point a little better above. Guys did get up, but rarely more than twice. I believe Ruddock was the only one who got up twice, to finish a fight with Tyson, but he was never hurt badly in those knockdowns.
Frazier was stopped by Foreman what makes you think Tyson doesnt stop him if he hurts him?

 

So then it all comes down to you think Tyson wins and I believe Frazier wears him down like Holyfield did after a big firefight in the early going. Cool. I'm not out to force my opinion on anyone, just present a scenario that I think would happen from what I have witnessed and experienced. Thanks for discussing it and reading what my thoughts are.

 

Yeah its all good. This is a boxing forum, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are discussing fights that anything could have happened right? Historically boxing has been full of upsets and unexpected outcomes especially on this level of skill.
I would venture to guess you are above 45 years of age??

 

Nope, not yet but I have always enjoyed the sport and began watching when I was a kid. Finally got into the ring as a teenager and been off and on since. Had the fantastic fortune to meet many great fighters (amongst them Joe Frazier ironically) and have been very impressed with their generosity, humor and perspectives on life. Other sports are so different from boxing. I played football for years. You go into a great training facility, clean and nice. You get out onto the field that is trimmed and marked with bright colors. Then you get into boxing. You walk into a gym where either hip hop or rhythm and blues is blaring. The rhythmic sound of the speed bag and jump ropes. The smell of sweat , leather and vaseline. Unless you love the sport you wonder what the draw is lol.

 

The way he finished Pinklon Thomas was clinical execution.

 

Yes it is strange how appealing that is. The first gym I ever spent a lot of time in was my favorite. It was at the top of an old two story building, no windows, no a/c, just an open door with an iron staircase leading to the ground. It was hot as hell, and I had to spray myself down to keep the mosquitos off, but it was the best gym I ever worked out in.

 

Amazing isn't it? I started in a Salvation Army gym. Not glamorous at all but still the draw is there for some of us to keep coming back. :good

 

Tyson and foreman were both terrific punchers but tysons punches were sharper and had more snap because of the speed factor. Foreman, on the other hand, was more of a clubbing type of puncher who moved his opponents with the strength of his punches. Rarely did you see foreman kayo an opponent with one punch, although he certainly put them on ***** street.

 

<P>Tyson was a sharper puncher than foreman and had more snap due to the speed factor. Foreman was a great puncher but was more of a clubbing type of puncher who moved his opponents mostly by the strength of his punche. Unlike tyson, he rarely kayod his foes with one punch, even though one was usually all it took to put them on ***** street.</P>

 

If Foreman knocks a guy down and he keeps getting back up, and Foreman keeps knocking him back down, surely that's the sign of a good finisher?

 

:huh

 

This would spell doom for Frazier. Frazier is one of my favorite fighters, but Tyson, Dempsey and Foreman are the worst matchups for him in my opinion.
There would be some similarity between this fight and Tyson-Marvis Frazier. Of course Joe is lightyears better than Marvis, but Tyson simply eats that slow starting come-forward style up.


You touched a point right there, i dont know if anybody has ever noticed this, ive got Tysons biography by Peter Heller and in it, Mike states (about Marvis) when you jab, he bows down like this, when he does that im going to plant him with an uppercut....which is what he does when he has Marvis in the corner....watch that fight people.

Second point watch Foreman-Frazier 1 - Foreman starts off the same way...he throws a jab and frazier ducks as soon as he does that George swings a massive uppercut (i cant remember if it lands...but u get my point)

Tyson has Fraziers number all the way

 

A good finisher puts people to SLEEP....like Mike Tyson
Foreman used to club his opponents to submisison
Tyson used to turn peoples lights out

 

Maybe because Frazier had crap defense which led him into wars, where as Tysons defense was light years ahead which means he rarely gets hit?

Strong guy with heart vs strong guy whose faster with better chin and better defense?????

Using all proven form as evidence, TYSON'S got to be favoured here