Mike Weaver vs Gerry ****ey.......what if????

I kinda feel that way too. And C00ney went into the Holmes fight only having seen 1 round of ring action in a near two year period, yet look at the good fight he still gave him. C00ney is sort of like Vitali Klitscko. Both have thin resumes that don't look all that impressive on paper, but then how many fighters would you honestly favor to beat them?

 

Gerry wouldn't have too much luck hitting Greg with the jab, and Greg would definitely find Gerry with his.He might hurt Michael, but Michael's skills and toughness would see him through to a late round stoppage, in Page's case mid to late round.

 

I disagree ****ey had a very long poll like jab these can be very hard to avoid he hit Holmes a lot with it and not only that even if they don't land they can offset ones rhythm . I think he'd be able to get close enough to both of them using his jab and range to dig to the body and break both Page and Dokes down.

 

Yep. Its a common misconception that Gerry C. was a lumbering oaf who had no skill, speed or grace, when in fact he could box very well when he wanted to and had a sizable reach to complement these skills. He only went swinging for the fences when he knew or sensed that he had a fighter in trouble whom he could finish quickly. He even looked pretty good out jabbing George Foreman in the first round of their 1990 meeting, and that was after 3 years of inactivity. And I agree that Michael Dokes would have been a good candidate to lose to him in the early 80's. Dokes' chin was always questionable and he had problems with comitment to training. Tex Cobb, Ossie Ocasio, and an aging Weaver all gave him problems and Coetzee knocked him out.

 

That's how I see it.

 

I remember they asked Larry Holmes about ****ey once and he said something to the effect of "The boy was a really good fighter but he was mismanaged. They should have gone after Weaver's title, he would have beaten Weaver. If he had that big fight experience he might have beaten me too."

He actually said this, and we all know how arrogant Holmes was.

 

The thing is, he's not going to offset Page's rhythm as fluid as Greg was at times.And Page had power in both hands (Young said he hit harder than Gerry), and had a very good chin. Dokes' chin was not as strong, but he could take a decent shot, and Coetzee only got him when he was high on cocaine in the ring. Respect your viewpoint, but can't see Gerry getting close enough to them to do any permanent damage.

 

Yeah, but Holmes was p!ssed off that everyone said C00ney was a bum and a hype job AFTER Holmes beat him.

 

C00ney had plenty of chance to fight the Weavers, Snipes, Berbicks, Pages, Witherspoons etc. ... after the Holmes fight.
Thing is, he didn't fight anyone like that.

People say "personal issues", drugs, alcohol, confidence and whatever, they make that an excuse for even BEFORE the Holmes fight.
And it might be true.

Doesn't sound like a fighter I'd bank on to beat those "live" prime contenders. :nono

The evidence against C00ney is pretty weighty, imo.

 

There's no evidence against CO0ney..... Only evidence that is lacking.. In his prime he went many rounds with a top five ATG and emphatically destroyed some guys who at least qualified as being fringe.. What's missing is the very evidence that you speak of which is the "middle." We never saw him against a caliber of opponent who was a step below Holmes yet a step higher than an aged Jimmy Young, which is approximately about where a man like Mike Weaver sits.. Given that he easily disposed of men who a notch below Weaver while giving fits to the man who was a step above him, I think he might have faired well in that middle range.

 

Weaver beat better fighters than C00ney.
C00ney never beat anyone as good as Weaver.

What's C00ney's excuse for never fighting those caliber fighters ?

 

Well challenging for Weaver's WBA title and being side stepped by Bob Arum in place for James Tillis is one reason.

 

One thing about ****ey as well which I think would ultimately be what he finishes off both Dokes and Page with would be his body attack. ****ey had one of the very best left hooks to the body and threw it in rapid succession. I wouldn't be surprised to see both Dokes and Page doing well up until ****ey eventually finds his range with the jab and the body shots take there toll. Another thing about Page that makes it very difficult for me seeing him beat ****ey is that he looked as good as anyone most of the time until facing top opposition. He did have some good performances against quality fighters but he had a lot of terrible performances against fighters he should've beat no problem and some of these weren't just a matter of lack of conditioning. I think he gets busted up kinda like Jimmy Young did when he faced ****ey.

 

The thing is, I think Greg would be up for this fight, him and ****ey had some legit animosity between them, and Greg talked like he knew how to shut ****ey down, and with his boxing ability, and if he trains, Gerry might be in for a long night. Gerry would have a better time against Michael, but Michael a tough nut, and Gerry hasn't dealt with anyone with this type of ability outside of Holmes and possibly, Young, and Young was somewhat faded.

 

No, that's just one missed opportunity.
C00ney NEVER - his whole career - managed to get in the ring with a proper ranked fighter except Holmes for a $10 million purse that equalled what the champ was paid.