Mikkel Kessler: What makes him so good?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by klion22, Mar 13, 2008.


  1. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hmm interesting coming from a Kessler fan...Talking about another fighters resume'. Yet I notice that so many of you Kessler guys dont talk about his. you just tell us this guy is sooo much better then everyone. Lets take alook at Kesslers resume.

    He went 12 rounds with a fuking lightweight Thobela who I believe was stopped in 4 by Bute

    He went 12 rounds with Mundine who was knocked out by Ottke who only had 5 fuking knockouts

    UMMM hell thats about it, its pretty much no one eles on his resume, unless you want to talk about guys Like Lucas, who jones beat a few hours after playing in a pro basketball game.

    Oh yeah there is that Clubfighter Siaca wait didnt he beat Mundine??

    Dude come on Kessler's resume is horrible. I cant believe that you would even bring that up about Taylors resume:patsch
     
  2. henrik

    henrik fasthands Full Member

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    watch kesslers fight against andrade,they went toe to toe.
    kessler can FIGHT,im a big fan of kessler but as for pavlik i must say that when it comes down to it, pavliks style is more aggresssive.AND i love watching him fight,because you know what he comes to do:FIGHT!!
    kessler got better boxing skills imo,than pavlik.but when it comes to slugging,pavlik is the no.1,right now...and im from denmark!!:good
     
  3. HolgerD

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    I can see both doubters and the dedicated fans points of view, however, I think there can be no doubts about Kessler showing improvements in each fight he's had. The first fight I spotted stagnation in his positive development was against Calzaghe, which could very well be down to a lack of hard preparations (lost some weeks of sparring) and some bad/missing advice from his coach during the middle rounds.
    Point being that for Kessler the sky is the limit if he can continue his development and stay clear of injuries. I stick my neck out and predict his next two fights will define him as a fighter. A true champ is defined by how he copes with defeat!
     
  4. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :happy

    I agree. It's absolutely 100% pure subjective opinion to claim that Kessler is two classes above guys like Pavlik and Taylor. HA HA. You've got to be kidding me. Based on what? Your opinion?

    Well, my opinion is that Pavlik and Taylor are just as good as Kessler. If anything, they are a notch above Kessler. But that's just me.
     
  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And all but 2 of Kessler's fights have happened outside of Denmark. That's saying A LOT.
     
  6. HolgerD

    HolgerD Armscontrol Full Member

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    So, based on all you said in this thread, can we agree that Kesslers next three fights should be Miranda, Taylor and Pavlik?:D
     
  7. teke

    teke Titans Time !!! Full Member

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    I cannot wait til Mundine rematches Kessler, it will be a glorious day. Mundine will finish him off :happy:happy
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure would, but we know that's not happening. Does Kessler even consider coming to the states to enlarge his name if he's so sure about his talents? Let's see him come over here and fight JT. And let's actually see the facts and find out if he is 2 classes above him (Excuse me, i just LOLed).

    If he does fight Miranda, i expect him to win. But how he wins will be important. I can't wait to watch it.
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Did it ever occur that he maybe makes good money in Europe, last couple have been 1 million + fights.;)

    And his team and management have everything to do with getting fights, he currently has **** poor management, sadly.
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    You know, I listed out a bunch of factual comparisons between Kessler and then Pavlik/Taylor and the only response I get is 'Taylor fought P4P guys etc. etc. etc.', not a single response to the actual physical comparison comparing speed, skill, timing, defence, sense of range, footwork and precision between the 3.
     
  11. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The problem with your physical comparisons is that sometimes, it's not just about measurables. For instance, if one were to look at Hopkins, nothing stands out. He wins because of his mind.

    You are telling me all these physical attributes and you claim that Kessler is superior to the other guys in all of them. So you equate that to Kessler being better than the other guys. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way. At least not all of the time.

    What does Pavlik have that stands out physically except for his size and power? He's got slow hand speed. His footwork isn't very light. But what are some things he does have that's harder to measure? Heart. Determination. Incredible stamina. A great chin.

    I just think you take too much of a simple approach when you need to just look at the overall picture on evaluating a guy.

    I'm not saying Kessler sucks or anything. I just think it's freaken ludicrious to claim that Kessler is two classes above Pavlik/Taylor (Yeah, i LOLed again).
     
  12. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about the level of competition. He needs to fight outside of Denmark to face guys like Pavlik and Taylor.
     
  13. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought Kessler tried. He was just outclassed. He's a very conventional fighter who stands in front of you and throws the one two over and over again. It was easy pickings for Calzaghe as he was all over the place as usual and just throwing from different angles and Kessler didn't know what to do But i think the effort was there. And i think he even got in some decent shots throughout the fight. He was just outclassed.
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Sure, I'd want both of those fights to happen for him, easy wins and a big boost in recognition, but I'd also like to see him in with Bute and the lot at SMW, as they're a tad bit better than the MW lot, including Pavlik and Taylor, who bring nothing but western name value.

    And last I checked, he stepped outside of Denmark into the backyard of the one of the best fighters in the world in Joe Calzaghe and lost, but also raised his profile in defeat. So that kind of throws the 'he needs to step out of Denmark' theory out of the water.

    Oh I forgot to mention, he also went and fought Mundine in his backyard and won dominant, then KTFO Beyer in his backyard.

    I think you mean 'he needs to come fight to America and blast out some overrated name fighters that have the captivation of the American audience', that I agree with you completely, then he can concentrate on establishing a legacy against B+ or better opponents.:good
     
  15. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wow, you really have no respect for Pavlik or Taylor huh?