I just want to state a couple of things about Frank Mir , i may be coming across as a bit of a hater here I rate Mir and i like Mir , i have battled with many who have ridiculed his standing in the MMA landscape of HW's , but he's done , he has no agility , he has no engine , he is over sized with muscle density which hurts his cardio and his stamina , he cannot wrestle and if he is pushed in a fight cardio wise with a striker of note (Jr dos Santos ringing any bells), he will be hurt badly sooner or later (sooner would be my guess), AND he also has absolutely no chin , this could be a bit of a problem being that he's a HW On a positive note , he is still an elite grappler with excellent submission skills , questionable off his back against a top heavy wrestler but still elite IMHO , his striking has improved probably more than any HW fighter i can care to remember in world MMA , the man now has the variety and technique to cause problems for even accomplished strikers The turning point .................. IMHO the best Mir to grace the cage was Lesnar 2 , he suffered a beat down yes , but he weighed 240 for that fight , quick on his feet , agile , had some cardio finally , stamina etc etc etc , after he lost to Lesnar he decided " I'm too small " i need to go and gain 25 lbs of muscle , !!!!! who ever was feeding Frank this BS needs firing !!! , he's never looked the same since , infact he's gradually gotten worse , his displays against Nelson and Cro Cop were gusty but lacked quality , the type of quality that if you don't have , the elite of the division will destroy you !!!! Then came Nog 2 , a fight he would of certainly lost by TKO if Nog hadn't gone to the ground with him , question , whats gonna happen when dos Santos hits him on the chin ?????? :yep
No he would not , there explosive well schooled strikers who can both wrestle better than Mir , particularly Cormier who is an elite wrestler He cannot beat these type of fighters these days
Make a case for Mir NOT being one of the best of all time.. Has the most submissions of any HW in UFC history, has the most wins of any HW in UFC history, 2 time HW Champion, holds wins over Big Nog(2), Lesnar, Sylvia, CroCop, only guy to ever submit Kongo.... The dude is one of the greats and I guess you hold outright hatred for him because of this...... This content is protected and this... This content is protected
Massive respect to Mir. Up there with hendo as far as balls and fighting pride go. Don't think he's shot either
:good:yep:hey All seriousness though, if you dont like Mir, cool.. But dont downplay the guys career because you hold a grudge atsch I just gave the guy FACTS.
Nogueira was shot. Anyone who doesnt see that is very new to this sport or has an agenda. Nogueira has the best resume in mma history. Respect.