Too Low- Walcott, Dixon, Monzon, Fitzsimmons, Whitaker, Arguello, Holyfield, Marciano, Too High-Tyson, Hearns, Foreman, Dempsey, Frazier,
I'd hardly say the ESB forum overrates fighters from our era, Addie. In fact, I'd say exactly the opposite. Some of the bias that seems to be shown toward fighters from previous eras surprises me.
Point taken. I think there's two fighters in the Classic who are protected to a large degree. Whitaker and Duran. They are the overwhelming favorites. And Fleaman, I've seldom seen a P4P top 100 having Louis below Leonard, even if I do think Ray was more complete and had better top tier wins.
I think the forum tends to go through cycles where different fighters have a lot of appreciation or focus on them...Canizales and lora a few months ago.Yuh recently etc... All-time greats like Duran, Whitaker, the Sugars etc... will always have a lot of favour, but i think this is generally a pretty good forum for getting good debates that are outside of the usual fare going and respecting possible underdogs etc.. Put it this way, i reckon that here, you would get a much more considered or in-depth debate\reply here if you asked something like if there were any possiblities of Barrera ranking above Olivares, or someone good, bbut not acknowledged as an all-timer like McCallum being able to beat Dick tiger than you would on most other boxing forums i've read.It's not nearly as biased or safe as the cbz(barring 2 or 3 good posters) a has a better knowledge base/traffic level balance than any other boxing forum classic sections.
I instigated the whole thing regarding Canizales and Yuh. It's not in the same vein as Whitaker and Duran, who are overwhelming favorites on Classic all year round. Nothing else to be said about it really, there was a thread asking for the Classic's top 5 fighters and no kidding, 85% of replies had either Duran, Whitaker, or both there. Sugar Ray Leonard does not have a lot of favor, but it's a wonderful forum. I love it in the Classic...it's educational.
Nah, there was a Canizales phase before i remember you posting on here.Your one was the second wave of Canizales. I think Ray does have a lot of fans, he just seems to have the most idiotic trolls against him as well.
There's a clear distinction between how Duran and Whitaker are viewed on here than any other fighter in history in my view.
Excellent posts by Rise Above and Tommy V ... Ali too high Tunney too high Pep too high Ketchel too high Hearns too high Marciano too high Dempsey way too high ... Foreman too high ... Cerdan seems too high .. Langford way too low ... Holmes, Spinks, Tyson, Walcott too low .. Charles too low ... Whitaker way too low ... Monzon too low .. Gans too low .. Charley Burley ?
I think they are thought of highly definitly but i do think people are knowledgeable enough not to have a massive bias etc.. Like we are not seeing Whittaker in any top ten P4P lists which would be ridiculous but we are seeing him rightfulkly in a top 30 slot. People just admire his skills more than others same with Duran.
Yeah, I remember going a little bonkers for Orlando in early 2008. Pea and a couple of others were creaming for him around the same time, I seem to remember you being rather enthusiastic.
Whatever fighter Mantequilla reps, I take a look into. I trust his opinion more than pretty much any other on this forum. His technical analysis is second to none. Probably matched by none, though you yourself are probably the best poster all around. I'm drunk right now so I'm in a good mood, you'll have to forgive me.