More Punching Power : Marciano or Tyson.

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  1. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hobgoblin, that girl in your avataar is gorgeous.
     
  2. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    that's not what your mom told me after i ****ed her :rofl
     
  3. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd pick Tyson.

    He had about 30 pounds of muscle over Marciano, markedly quicker hands and punched with at least as much leverage. (maybe more)

    The argument that Rocky hit harder because he scored KO's late in fights does not hold water. Rock was always in there for the long haul physically and mentally, whereas Tyson's explosive style meant that the intensity and mental focus could not be there in the 12th like it was in the earlier rounds. It's more a question of styles, mental focus and stamina than raw power.

    One could argue that due to him being able to end the fight more quickly, Tyson hit harder. That too though, is (largely) a question of styles rather than brute power.
     
  4. janitor

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    I don't think there is a lot in it either way in terms of raw power.

    Tyson has far better speed and delivery which makes his punches more efective. Marciano on the other hand has better stamina which means that he might carry his power better into the late rounds of the fight as he dose his workrate.
     
  5. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i actually think marciano was the harder hitter, but tyson was just so physically strong and fast that he could you up to get knocked out in less then ten seconds at his best. marciano had more power in his punches but i think you could anticipate the punches a little easier then tyson which would help you to survive longer.
     
  6. Denny Cruser

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  7. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Rock....He broke bones and ruptured bloodvessels.....he nearly killed Carmine Vingo...he sheered Rex Layne's teeth off at the nubs...and Lee Savold's
    teeth were smashed into his gums....it took some fighters month to get over a beating by Marciano...and some were never the same again....imagine if he weighed 240 lbs!!
     
  8. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe Marciano was the harder puncher. Tyson's speed and placement were tremendous, and both Mike and Rock generated power coming up from the floor. But Rocky torqued his body more completely than Tyson did, and his punches inflicted damage wherever they landed. I think Mike's speed allowed him to land scoring blows more reliably, but I believe he sacrificed something in power through his greater use of speed and mobility. Rocky seemed to box with his feet anchored to the surface he was on, and forfeited some handspeed to settle down more on his punches, though Marciano's vastly superior handspeed to Rex Layne was a key factor in that outcome.

    My suspicion is that if we were to hold a heavy bag for either of them to wail away at, that we would find Marciano to hit it harder than Tyson.

    Rocky had a more arduous path to the top, against more challenging competition. Power wise, I think Tyson was more of a two fisted Joe Frazier. Instead of a multitude of single round kayos over tomato cans that artificially hyped his reputation, he should have been placed against more rugged and resistant competition that could have extended him longer distances. Coming up, Frazier had challenging ten rounders with tough veterans like Bonavena, Machen, and Scrap Iron Johnson, as well as demanding opponents like Doug Jones and Chuvalo.

    All Tyson had was Ferguson, Tillis, Ribalta and Green. He needed to withstand more dangerous adversaries, to gain the experience required to evolve into a true ATG. His natural role models as a heavyweight were Floyd Patterson and Frazier, not Shavers and Foreman. His appropriate niche was as an attrition fighter who could wear down tough contenders en route to late stoppages. If Mike had been hardened more by early trials of fire, then he might have been able to wear down and stop the Bonecrushers, Tuckers, Holyfields, and Douglases who gave him so much trouble. We would have discovered if he had the heart and resilience to recover and continue on to win against Danny Williams and Kevin McBride, perhaps even Lennox Lewis.

    It didn't really matter where Marciano hit an opponent. He busted blood vessels in LaStarza's arms during their title rematch, and I'm not aware of Mike producing that kind of damage with non-scoring punches. Tiger Ted Lowry stated that Archie Moore was a harder puncher than Marciano, while Moore himself credited Yvon Durelle's first knockdown of the Ole Mongoose as the hardest blow he'd ever been hit by. But head to head, as I've already speculated, I believe Marciano's punches had more force behind them than the faster Tyson did.
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    Tyson's power showed up early in the fight but faded, Marciano took a while to get warmed up but he had late power and one punch power. I dont think anyone would want to get hit by either man but Marciano had it until 2:59 of the 15th
     
  10. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    in this thread (the first one being made 3 months ago) people voted alot for marciano, but now..9 people?
     
  11. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Um, this post is a little confusingly written. What do you mean?
     
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  13. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this thread was done by someone else before (3 months ago) and in that thread 40 people voted for marciano, but now only 9 people voted for him(marciano).
     
  14. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it was the result of the videos you posted- there is a much smaller supply of Marciano knockout clips to be fit into montages, and so the Marciano video has fewer knockouts and more runs of Marciano swinging without knocking his opponents out, while the Tyson video makes him look like an unstoppable monster, because it's made up almost entirely of knockout punches and there are dozens of clips available of Tyson scoring devastating knockouts over no-name and clubfighter-level opponents, giving one the impression of Tyson knocking everyone out instantly and in violent fashion while Marciano flails around to finish off a handful of opponents.
     
  15. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the video is the best one i could find in youtube, and thats a tribute to marciano and the best ko clips.