More Punching Power : Marciano or Tyson.

Some of you guys make it too obvious, it´s OK to defend your high school friends, but with a tic of discretion it wouldn´t be that much blatant...


btw, are you still angry because I critiziced you? Don´t take it too personal, you aren´t the only idiot here, you are in good society, contact C. M. Clay II for this area, he´s there the perfect reference person...

 

Tyson in his prime is the hardest puncher I have seen.

 

Get a life loser.:bbb

 

I have a life, you repeat yourself, can´t you create some new "bad things"? When you indirectly criticize me that I should get a life because I post here on ESB, than you criticize all posters here, including you...

 

Not just because you post at ESB, but because you start **** with people for no reason, you obviously have a fetish with Italian fighters, and you do your best to attack and downgrade Ali and all his opponents so that even if someone says something remotely positive about Ali, you jump all obver them and call them "hyperbolical nuthuggers", and say that they have "zero boxing knowledge", and say they have "childish arguments", etc., etc., etc. If you got out more, maybe you would act more like a reasonable person, and less like a bi-polar, insensitive, and obtuse jerk.

 

Tyson probably hit marginally harder, but since he has thirty pounds on Marciano, Rocky takes the cake in a pound-for-pound comparison.

 

But that wasn't the question.:roll:

 

Strangely enough I only "combat" with some kiddies like you, Ramon Rojo, etc., with normal and good posters (Janitor, Manassa, SuzieQ49, Dr Z, dmt, OLD FOGEY, etc., I could name you 100 more) I have never such childish "writing- battles". I don´t disrespect Ali, but I´m on the other side no fanatic Ali groupie who´s automatically on his bandwagon. It´s kind of funny, always in a fantasy matchup between 2 great fighters (between 2 great fighters there is ALWAYS a reason that the one fighter could beat the other) when someone favours the other against Ali, than you immediately answer with childish gay smilies or stuff like that. Why are you than rather making/answering in/to threads when it´s so death sure that Ali would win always viá lopsided UD or KO? With Italian fighters what you wrote is also not right, I only don´t like it (in general, not only Italian fighters) when some don´t respect fighters like they deserved it. Name me one thread where I answered something hyperbolical in relation to Italian fighters, if you don´t lie that you can´t respond here. You demand more class from me, but you take often swear words for example, that are these double standards I really love. Marciano is critizicing because he fought CW´s with 190 lbs. averagely and Ali is the boxing god although his opponents average weight was ca. 205 lbs, 15 ridiculous lbs. But I´m OK with that. I could name 100 more of these phony ****...

 

You said Primo Carnera was a great heavyweight. You also said that Roland LaStarza was one of the greatest defensive heavyweights of all-time, to build up you idol Marciano. That's two things and I'm sure there are more.

 

I answered the actual question but decided to add some more - what's your problem? *****.

 

You lie again, Clay. I said LaStarza was a defensive wizard, and he was it, not only in my opinion. That´s a whole different thing. And I never said Primo was great, because he wasn´t legacy-wise, in his era he was one of the best. I said he was very good. Try another lies...

 

Why does being a bigger man automatically make it more impressive to knock you out? None of the guys you listed were too incredibly durable. Walcott proved he could stand up against dangerous full-sized heavyweights on multiple occasions. Walcott was a much better fighter than those guys. But apparently, in your universe, all that matters is which one was bigger.

That's because McCall is durable, not because he's big. If one guy knocked out George Chuvalo and another guy knocked out Wladimir Klitschko, would you make fun of the first guy and degrade his accomplishment relative to the second guy's, because Wlad is so much bigger than Chuvalo?

 

Obviously Walcott was a heavyweight and Duran was a lightweight. Notice I didn't say that size is irrelevant, rather I indicated it isn't all that matters.

Except that Walcott is a Hall-of-Famer because of what he did at heavyweight. Numerous hard-hitting heavyweights, including ones who were 210 or more, had failed to stop Walcott in the last decade, in which he had only been stopped once, that coming against Joe Louis. On the other hand, Tony Tubbs was knocked out in one round apiece by Lionel Butler and Jimmy Ellis Junior, Trevor Berbick was knocked out in one round by Bernardo Mercado, and Francis Botha was knocked out in all four of his losses, including once by(EGAD!) ex-light heavyweight Moorer.

atsch Charles never fought Simon.

You're just selectively picking a showing in which Marciano didn't display his power and another in which Tyson did- why don't we compare Tyson vs. Quick Tillis or Bonecrusher Smith with Marciano-Walcott or Marciano-Layne? And again, if size is all that matters to you, Marciano was 5-0 with 5 knockouts(3 in the first round) against opponents weighing over 210, and although they weren't particularly good outside Louis, they all had winning records and one or two of them were gatekeeper types on say, the Mike "the Giant" White level.