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More Skilled: Canto or Napoles?

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See how my man @The Morlocks has changed the face of posting here?

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Eye of Timaeus said: ↑

I watch too much ldbc videos. They hate Bradley for telling the truth lol. The ****riding for the charlos tank Spence and Wilder is actually disgusting.
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The “LDBC” is the strangest cult/fanbase in my years of following boxing.

How on earth can you take people seriously when:-

They fanboy a promoter
Their views are based strictly on race
They discredit and pick apart everything Lomachenko (or Golovkin or any European) does yet gush over Wilder, Charlo’s and Davis and get emotional and hurt when someone questions their resume
They try to create a racial divide among fans
They call themselves the LDBC

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ChrisJS said: ↑

The “LDBC” is the strangest cult/fanbase in my years of following boxing.

How on earth can you take people seriously when:-

They fanboy a promoter
Their views are based strictly on race
They discredit and pick apart everything Lomachenko (or Golovkin or any European) does yet gush over Wilder, Charlo’s and Davis and get emotional and hurt when someone questions their resume
They try to create a racial divide among fans
They call themselves the LDBC

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BFTB is an absolute ******. Thinks he is the man and said wilder is p4p number 1

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Eye of Timaeus said: ↑

BFTB is an absolute ******. Thinks he is the man and said wilder is p4p number 1
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Good enough reason to not find out what BFTB means.

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Good enough reason to not find out what BFTB means.
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Best fight the best lol. A youtuber who dick rides the names above while shitting on European fighters and Crawford.

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Eye of Timaeus said: ↑

Best fight the best lol. A youtuber who **** rides the names above while ****ting on European fighters and Crawford.
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How can a person who’s name is best fight the best ride Charlo, Davis and I’m assuming backs (or spins/deflects) Spence’s refusal to fight Crawford.

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How can a person who’s name is best fight the best ride Charlo, Davis and I’m assuming backs (or spins/deflects) Spence’s refusal to fight Crawford.
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Spot on. He said Crawford resigned with Top Rank to avoid the Spence fight.

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May God bless you in 2020.
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Beautiful! THE SOURCE AND ONLY REASON IN THIS LIFE. JESUS CHRIST!!!!!

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Pretty close.

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George Crowcroft said: ↑

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The right answer is still Napoles!

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PhillyPhan69 said: ↑

The right answer is still Napoles!

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It is...in as many words...Napoles.

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His defensive minded trainer Jesus Rivero, also helped him developed his immaculate skills to the point of near perfection and almost certainly helped him adapt with his suggestions in the corner.

Canto was a teeny tiny Wizard. His head-movement was excellent, and he managed to #1, stop himself from moving into punches whilst slipping combinations. #2, merge it with his offence, by hiding his attacks with movement. Another very impressive aspect of Canto's head-movement is how it was perfectly in tune with his arms, he'd bob under a shot and then start to predict the punches pre defending them and once they threw he'd have a counter waiting. Whilst slipping shots, at some point he'd twist at the waist and start parrying off his forearms and elbows and using his gloves to block hooks at range.

Speaking of which! Canto's blocks were picture perfect, his arms were always in position to let shots slide of his elbows, gloves and shoulders.
So whilst possessing some of the slickest
head-movement of all time he often relied on blocking, especially inside. He often slipped punches and stepped inside, then once he had manoeuvred his head out of danger, he'd cross his arms over his mid section and the glove over the chest, to protect himself further he'd turn his back to block punches from one side, effectively cutting someone's offence in half. Given his tendancy to block, and his class, he seriously started to fall back on riding shots out, whilst defending attacks, he'd pretty much be constantly moving his hips right to left to take the thud out of the shots.

Canto's stiff arms were a major part of his defence and would often win entire rounds, and even fights by controlling his opponents head. He'd keep turning them and thus meaning they had to reset themselves, meaning more time for Canto to move and repeat. Canto's stiffarms would also be used whilst he had his back to the ropes and obscure his opponents vision whilst using his triceps and forearms to stifle or block incoming punches. This is basically built his use of the mummy guard, which he used to stop punches before they were thrown and controls the opponent's hands rather than heads and shoulders.

Like most ATG defences, a lot of it came down to reflexes, but Canto's ability to hit and not get hit is among the most technical of all time.

Canto's co-ordination is imo by far his greatest asset (his feet are his best technical asset imo). By co-ordination I'm talking his accuracy, balance, judgement (and management) of range ect. That along with his speed and reflexes made him a force at flowing in and out of range and landing his quick sharp shots. His lovely blend of these attributes amplified his game more than anything imo, as it made him as elusive a target you could find in history. Hitting him clean twice was like trying to catch smoke. As the old timers used to say, "you couldn't hit him with a bag of stones if he was stood in front of you".

I'm generally not including physical attributes but it'd be criminal not to mention things like the pairs balance and speed, along with their reflexes and accuracy but all in all, Napoles being a highly skilled operator who was excellent at his job, imo most of his ability came from physical attributes, not so much skill as Canto. So there we go people, we have a winner! Miguel Canto, and to be honest it's clear imo given how much I had to write about the pair of them.
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Well, the writs were thorough! Often posters, me included, can only go so deep on the many things you covered but I have to give you a hands up as you've obviously done your homework over the years. Can I ask your boxing background?

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