Most Talented Fighter of All Time

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  1. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    Joe Louis, Mike Tyson and Roy Jones jr.
     
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    boxer = robinson and ali
    fighter = fedor and yamamoto
     
  3. Koa

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    I like Tommy Hearns as well in there. He really could box defensively if he wanted. Had rediculous power, fast hands and utilized his height pretty well considering his style.

    Still Amazing watching him outbox SRL moving backwards and moving. He really had another dimension to his style when it came to survival mode. His only problem was he could get caught cleanly.. I wonder how things would have gone with Hagler had he not broken his hand and fought defensively.

    But yeah, Roy was sick. He was pure talent, reflexes, quickness and contingency. Hamed was no slouch when it came to talent, very unorthodox as well.
     
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    Oleg Saitov was the most talented fighter of all time IMO.He lacked firepower,but hell he could fight like the personification of God in gloves inside a box ring.
     
  5. red cobra

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    Of course, any thinking boxing fan knows that the "most talented" boxer does not always equate to the "best boxer". There are less naturally gifted fighters who compensate by having superior brains, technique and skills that can just as easily negate supior "gifts'. Examples I am sure will be forthcoming.
     
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    Marciano is the obvious one...
     
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    Roy Jones,but right now its Mayweather.
     
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    My vote goes for RJJ and Tyson during their primes it looked like no one could come close to beating them.
     
  9. red cobra

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    Wilfredo Gomez fascinates me in that in the seventies, up until the time he fought Sanchez, was an almost perfect fighter with catlike gifts of cunning, spees, boxing ability and above all a killer punch. He could do it all. Combinations, an almost outerspacelike contempt and coldness in the way he would dispatch his poor opponents. Just look at the fight with Zarate as the classic example. Unbelievable.
     
  10. Sister Sledge

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    Jones never fought the quality of fighters that PBF has fought. Never. The best fighter RJJ fought was Toney and that fight is infamous in the fact that it was the same Toney that fought Dave Tiberi and Montell Griffin. Maybe PBF has lost rounds, but his quality of opposition was much better. Mayweather lost rounds to Castillo, while Jones was losing a fight to Montell Griffin. Now do you consider Griffin better to Castillo?
     
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    koko of phil Ring of Fire Resident Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano and SRL.
     
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  13. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Jones has fought BETTER overall opposition than Floyd Mayweather

    Bernard Hopkins
    James Toney
    Mike McCallum
    Virgil Hill
    Antonio Tarver
    Clinton Woods
    Reggie Johnson
    Lou Del Valle
    Vinny Pazienza
    Thulani Malinga
    Otis Grant
    Eric Lucas
    Jorge Fernando Castro
    Montell Griffin
    John Ruiz
    Eric Harding
    Julio Cesar Gonzalez
    Glen Kelly
    David Telesco

    In that resume alone, there is 3 all time greats. Floyd has only fought one. Hopkins is better than De La Hoya, Toney is better than Castillo, McCallum is better than Corrales, and Hill is better than Judah, Hernandez, or Manfredy.

    Jones defeated 17 world champions, 5 more than Mayweather's 12

    In the Toney fight, Roy's movement, usage of angles, and handspeed befuddled Toney, preventing him from getting into a rythm and preventing him from getting off to counterpunch. Roy was simply not there to be hit and was too fast for James. James couldn't deal with the speed. Jones was a stylistic nightmare for James Toney. That was not the Toney who came into the Thadzi and Griffin fights - that was a motivated Toney who was beat by the better fighter.

    Jones had Griffin out, but was disqualified for hitting him when he was down. And look what happened in the rematch...Montell was out in 1.

    Jones fought the better fighters, had the better resume, and was the more talented fighter.
     
  14. Sister Sledge

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    On paper, of course these guys look better, but most of the fighters he fought weren't in their primes at all. McCallum was 40 going on 50, and losing more than he was winning. Grant was shopworn and coming up from Middleweight to Light Heavy. Pazienza was a circus act and never a top flight Super Middleweight. Hill lost to an old, bloated, past his prime Hearns years before he fought RJJ. Reggie Johnsons best years were clearly behind him. With this said. RJJ never fought these guys when they were at their best.

    B-Hop was still a crude brawler, and not even close to the fighter he is today. The same goes for Clinton Woods, who is a much better fighter.

    The other guys you mentioned, like John Ruiz, are second rate ham-n-eggers. Glen Kelly, Dave Telesco? Come on, man! They suck!

    PBF has beaten 12 champions and counting, and is not even close to being done. Hatton will make 13.

    Angel Manfredy
    Genaro Hernandez
    JC Castillo
    Diego Corrales
    Oscar de la Hoya
    Zab Judah
    Arturo Gatti
    Sharba Mitchell
    Carlos Baldimar
    Chop Chop Corley
    Jesus Chavez
    Goyo Vargas
    Famoso Hernandez
     
  15. Sister Sledge

    Sister Sledge Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can say that about a lot of fighters, but Castillo beat Stevie Johnston, Corrales, Casemeyor, and other top fighters. He was an excellent fighter.