I don't need a youtube clip. Unlike this poor-quality video, the official one has replays from several other angles, including from the camera above the ring. Jones' hand was low because Tarver was in no position to throw it again after Jones' blocked his right jab, it's quite simple. No replays from any angle (there were 5 of them I think) showed Jones' closing his eyes, on the contrary the camera in Jones' corner on one of the replays shows Jones looking at the target while he is throwing his left hook - at Tarver's head. No replays show Tarver in position to see Jones' right hand guard when he started stepping forward and to the right, for him to pre-calculate that move in order to get himself in position to get around that guard. On the contary, there are reasons to think that when Tarver started his move, he still had his eyes closed after he bent low while trying to avoid Jones' right hand.
Vito Antuofermo :smoke . . . . . . . but seriously, Lupe Pintor hasn't been mentioned yet and I always thought he was a very technically sound exponent of the game. Always on his toes, great balance, worked behind the jab, great left hook to the body, usually followed by a very hard and straight right hand. Some great names mentioned with Duodenum's comments on Vilomar Fernandez great reading. Always an intriguing figure and gave the likes of Duran & Arguello all the trouble they could handle through ringsmarts and great conditioning. McCallum, Arguello, Ricardo Lopez I all agree with totally. I'd also profer Orlando Canizales as another technically sound boxer. Duodenum do you know if Mamby's fight against Duran exists on tape? I've read about Saoul's career here and there but am yet to see any of his fights on tape.
Technically speaking he is very good but not even close to a mexican like Marquez, Morales, Barrera. Plus, he takes to much hit so defensively speaking (which is a part of the technical stuff) he sucks.
Where did you see him get hit too much? He has a better defense than the three fighters you mentioned. Actually, he slightly reminds me of younger Morales, but with better defense.
Just look at his last fight. Andrade landed multiple shots easily and Librado is no Calzaghe in term of offensive speed.
Kessler blocked, slipped or rolled with most of those punches, very few of them actually landed clean. And Andrade has the advantage of having a all-time great chin.
I am sorry I didn't see him slip or duck any punch at all. Plus, this is what schocked me the most in that fight actually. Andrade had an iron chin, that why he made it to the bell or else he would have been KO'd.
Howard Davis was an under acheiver,primarily because he was paranoid about getting hit ,consequently he was allways punching when out of range ,his jabs were designed to keep the opponent from reaching him ,not to connect and land,he could and should have beaten Jim Watt but his heart didnt match his talent.IMO.
Vito was actually a vastly underrated defensive fighter, very difficult to nail flush, but you'd need to watch his footage very carefully to observe how subtly he'd angle his jaw and head to avoid a punch's impact, not something many judges would pick up on, but which astute boxing writer Bob Waters did. I think Pintor's been somewhat overlooked because of the way he was awarded his title from Zarate, a decision which surprised even Lupe. Check out his left hook to the ribs against Wilfredo Gomez, and see textbook execution. This against a foe noted for an effective defense picking off bodyshots. I've always taken it for granted that it was televised. They met in Miami Beach at a time when Duran was acclaimed the P4P best, and even his numerous non-title matches were media events frequently broadcast, so that's been assumed on my part. As for the match itself, Roberto simply outhustled Saoul, particularly on the inside, according to the reporting I've read. It's my understanding that Saoul was greatly admired by his boxing peers. When he decisioned Monroe Brooks, Larry Holmes, providing ringside commentary, heaped lavish praise on Mamby during a masterful performance. Nearly two decades later, Larry employed Saoul as his trainer for the final phase of his own career. A solid, solid pro.
benny leonard joe gans only becuase in thier day and age they were so perfect in compared t oeverybody else
You gotta be kidding. Most people that actually know Kessler, know that one of the things he is great at is defense. For instance against Andrade according to the stats Andrade landed around 10% (!!!) of 900 thrown. And he "landed easily on Kessler". Sounds like you are Mexican or something because you surely are way too biased here.
I ain't no mexican I am french.... To say he is great at defense is surprising... I think he has got some good boxing skills, textbook jabs, perfect one-two... but come one you need to rewatch that fight. Some of Andrade punches should have not even touch him but not only they touched him, they landed perfectly. Kessler is very good, definitely number 2 at 168 but as he is now Calzaghe would just beat him.
Well, I know you are high on Calzaghe and Calzaghe IS very good - for sure. But I think you are severely underestimating Kessler. I think the thing is that you probably have only seen one or two Kessler fights. Try to get hold of some more and notice how often he gets hit and how he avoids it. It is absolutely beautiful technique and something only very few could carry out. Start for instnace by looking at how these guys describe Kessler's strenghts and then go see if you can get your hands on some fights. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SES4p_bLWLk
Well, I do acknowledge Calzaghe as the best 168er ... for now. Cause I think In 1 year Kessler will surpass him (and easily IMO). You are right I didn't watch many of his previous fights (only the Beyer and the Librade one). I should go take a look at his career.