Most Technically Perfect Boxers

Yes, I am happy that you will take a look at his fights. I look forward to hear from you in a couple of weeks or when you have gotten to see at least a couple more. Especially notice how seldom he gets hit and notice how he does it.

Personally I think Calzaghe has been the best he has ever been for the last two years,m and I think Kessler beats any version of Calzaghe - if I had to pick a winner, because I acknowledge it will most probably be close. Very close.

 

Here's a replay from the camera above the ring.

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And??

It's plain to see that Jones' left hand was dangling low

... and at the moment of impact,
- Jones' left foot was inside of Tarver's right foot
- Jones was standing flush

 

Jones' left hand was low because there was no danger of being hit with a right hand from Tarver. Tarver's right hand was extended forward and was located in front of Jones' body, in position where he could not possibly deliver any punch at all, he would need to put his hand back and turn the body, which Jones' would react to accordingly, had Tarver attempted to do this.

At both moments, when he was throwing a right hook and then a left hook, Jones' left foot was outside of Tarver's right foot. To get to the position on second screenshot, Tarver stepped very far forward and to the right (as can be seen by comparing the two screens), making Jones' turn counter-clockwise to avoid getting head-butted by Tarver (had Jones stayed where he originally was that's what would have happened). During the course of the fight, both fighters are changing positions, and it's their task to react to it and adjust their own position accordingly, which takes time and is not considered a mistake by any trainer, that's the game - opponent is always trying to put you to disadvantage, and you react to it. The point is that you have to attack while in proper position, which Jones was in for both of his punches.

 

Excuses are futile. Jones was in a bad position against a southpaw. He was squared off and his feet were misplaced. Tarver exploited this.

Usually, Senya, when boxers get knocked out early it is because they made a technical mistake. Their hands were low, their chin was up, their positioning was wrong, etc. Tarver did not perform "a once in a lifetime miracle" like you say, he merely saw an opportunity and took it -like any technically sound boxer will do. It happens every day.

Glen Johnson exploited Jones' defensive carelessness even better 4 months later.... and in the immortal words of Antonio Tarver, I ask you:

"You got any excuses tonight [Senya-] Roy?!?"

 

Corbett. By the standards of his day, he does everything in textbook fashion.

 

very good post, I would also throw Bernard Hopkins in there. Bernard is the definition of athrowback fighter, who is technically sound. That is the main reason why bernard is still able to box at his age. He learned teh basics to boxingm and expounded on it. He rarely makes mistakes. Jus a thing of beauty technical wise

 

he was technical using not his power or speed but technique to slip the punches use the jab loads of things an argument could be made.....but perfect dude he was a slugger with fast hands and good technique underated but not the best

 

look from roy's view his style is to hit and dodge...in this he threw a punch think it was a left hook or somthing it made tarvers head drop (now when that happens he was expecting a right hand) tarver then throws the wrong shot from the wrong side and wham right when roy lent back he just served his chin on a china dish...

that is a maybe the oddest knockout punch tarver did do a really unorthodox move ducking while moving to the right and shifting his wieght on to the other lef while launching the left hand

jones thought he got him but it was only tap....look in the rematch III when tarver drops a right hook he did the same type of movment shifting his body wieght away from the punching arm.

 

You seem to lack understanding about boxing being a dynamic game, where two people are competing to put each other in bad position, and not a single trainer calls such minor thing when it happens shortly once or twice or even several times during the fight, a lack of technical education, a flaw. It is impossible to keep your foot outside of there 100% of time, when both of you and your opponent are moving. Every single fighter gets into such situations tens of times in every fight, not matter how technically perfect they may be, nobody considers such moments technical mistake.

That's right. Usually. And this was an exception, where a chance is probably one out of ten thousand that Tarver could slip a punch past the right hand guard like that. An accident.

Tarver didn't see an opportunity, for the simple reason he had his head low and his eyes still closed when he moved forward for the punch like that. One of the replays is showing Tarver from the front while he is moving for that punch, it is obvious there he wasn't aware of Jones position, about his right hand guard, about Jones' chin that was not visible to him behind Jones' right glove, and about how far he had to move forward and to the right to slip his punch past the guard.

Such situations as that don't happen every day, they happen once or twice in a lifetime. The only other example of such move as Tarver did, that I have in my 3.5K+ fights collection, is when Nunn knocked out Kalambay, but there Nunn was aware what he was doing, and did this with open eyes, seeing the target. Tarver had done it with closed eyes, not seeing the target.

They were two completely different situations. There's no similarity between them, except for result.

 

i like SRR, willie pep and duran

 

I lack understanding that this a dynamic game? Such throwaway comments warrant no response.

The problem here is a basic one. You suffer under the delusion that Roy Jones Jr. is among the elite of the greatest fighters who ever lived. Your idolatry of this man prevents you from acknowledging his technical shortcomings.

...and you mind is closed to alternative viewpoints.

There was not one but at least three basic errors that invited the KO shot. The problem that you will not acknowledge is that Roy habitually committed such errors in the ring -his athleticism and God-given reflexes allowed him to. He paid that night. And paid again 4 months later when Johnson caught him shoulder rolling from too close. And he paid again in the rubber match with Tarver in round 11 when he was knocked onto ***** street -and why? Because Jones came in behind a jab and dropped it, allowing Tarver to counter with a right.

Nonsense. In your world, Tarver KOd Jones out of "luck". In reality, Jones was in a vulnerable position and Tarver exploited this be stepping to his right while launching a right hook. Basic stuff.

Interesting. When I propose that Jones' may have had his eyes closed and therefore didn't see the shot, you accuse me "of making things up"... and here you are throwing around the same thing to bolster your spurious claims.

Go review the tapes in your shrine. Explain to me what mistake(s) Jones made in round 11 of the rubber match that saw him knocked drunk.

Here is your chance to redeem yourself.

 

This was no fluke. Tarver is a lanky southpaw who shifts his weight to whip his shots. That's how he fights.

A technician like Hopkins is far less liable to get caught with such a shot because his foundation is skill. Roy's defense relied on reflexes. He made basic errors but was able to get away with it for years. There is a cost to that and it comes with age. More technically sound fighters protect their chins better because sound technique underpins the powers of youth... so when reflexes fade, they are not suddenly knocked silly all over the place.

Senya calls that an accident. I call it and overeliance on athleticism at the expense of technique.

 

Srr,srl,ssm,rjj,pbf,bhop,odlh,..........................

 

I second that statement.