Muhammad Ali explaining why Wlad holds and doesn't fight on the inside

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  1. attaboi

    attaboi Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Fury will be Klitschko's easiest KO victim in years. Fury presents no threat, I repeat, no threat to Wladimir Klitschko.
     
  2. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't see what the big deal is here. A tall guy with long arms does everything he can to prevent his opponent from fighting on the inside. A big shocker. Lenno did it aswell, it's just that Lennox was better on the inside when it got really tough.
     
  3. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. Mendoza

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    And the opponents lets him? Ali clinched illegally more than Wlad did.
     
  5. Azzer85

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    the measuring stick when it comes to heavyweight greatness.

    are you new to the sport?
     
  6. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wouldn't that have been Adolf Hitler? :think:
     
  7. attaboi

    attaboi Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    In the Western world yes. Outside of the Western world, Hitler was no global figure.
     
  8. Russell

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  9. Punisher33

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    Wlad was featured in an youtube movie called "Octa*****", which highlights Wlad's excessive holding. It's amazing that a 6 foot 6 heavyweight with as much power as him, can't stand and go punch for punch with his opponents.
     
  10. lordlosh

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    He dosnt need to, to go punch for punch. Smart guy wont do it, and Wlad is smart. He goes into clinches when its needed, tactical or when opponent charge him and try to spear his stomach zone. Great Lennox was doing the same, dont see big problem with it. Also Evander probably have more matches with more clinches then Wlad.
    Wlad have 3-4 matches with more then normal clinches for the HW, and thats nothing from 66 matches ...
    Just as i mention it before Leapai - Boytzov made more then 100 clinches, in Wlad - Leapai fight there was no more then 5-6 clinches.
     
  11. Punisher33

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    Lewis went toe to toe with some heavy handed fighters. Mercer, Bruno, Morrison, Briggs etc... I rarely, if ever seen Wlad engage like that. Maybe he is smarter, and knows his weakness is his weak chin. It's too bad the division the least talked about and often looked at as joke. Wlad may go down as one of least exciting long reigning Heavyweight champs of all time.
     
  12. thesmokingm

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    Hyperbole much? If it was boxer instead of individual, you would be onto something there.
     
  13. Dos Huevos

    Dos Huevos Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hands up, don't shoot!:lol:
     
  14. RememberingC.S.

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    Mine too. And not that they couldn't, they're just lazy asses on that aspect, they've developed their fancy outside style and keep it simple.

    "Don't fix what isn't broken", more or less, but inside fighting would have helped them in a lot of fights, it's something that always comes useful sooner or later. This applies to guys like Mayweather too, of course.

    Anyway Ali knows what he's talking about, he had no inside game nor power, all he did was jogging around his considerably smaller opponents pushing them away or pitty-patting them while being on the tips of his feet or unbalanced forward or backward.

    His trademark way of clinching was applying weight on the back of the opponent neck, keeping them down, and fatiguing them. He also said that this stiffened the necks weakening the punch resistance.

    If that's true, how comes he had such a low ko percentage, against skinny fat guys coming from light heavyweights and cruiserweights? :think

    Whatever, nevermind, after all Ali is a textbook example of how one should NOT fight, both technically and ethically.
     
  15. RememberingC.S.

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    Thanks Emmanuel for that, he shaped Waldo in Lummox Lewis version 2.0, infusing him with 100% original American smartassness and ugliness of style:

    see Hopkins, the spoiler man, one of the most boring fighter ever even in his prime, Mayweather, Mister Pot Shot 'n Run, Ward, headbutting like a goat and then clinching like a desperate, and so on and so forth, all excellent technicians with similar styles.

    At least Waldo has maintained a third world russian attitude, being the less whiney, spoiled and dirty, of the bunch.