Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson

Holmes won like 10 seconds of a round when he got on his toes and snapped his jab out like ali would, then got shut down again for trying, and sparked in 4. He did really well.
So tell me some examples of tyson being mentaly weak pre prison whilst he was in his prime?? Was it while he took a 10 round beating from buster whilst all the time coming forward never folding and trying to get him out of there untill the very end, and he still tryd to get back up!
Or was it the 2 wars he had with the other most avoided puncher in rudduck getting his ribs broke ear drums burst and still doing his job?
67 ali would try and toy with tyson and soon pay the price then his jab would dissapear. His best win up to then was prob a mob paid dive by a 154 year old sonny liston....
We will never know who would win but the some of the reasoning in here is old wives tales.

 

How many absolute no hopers took Ali to the brink? Saying old Holmes won a share of a round against Tyson therefore Ali would beat him is a ridiculous and utterly desperate comment.

 

Huh, how many only "no hopers" that took Ali to the brink when in his prime? You could make more damning stetements against Tyson by using his later years, & he did not have Parkinson's. Now Tyson did have good endurance in his prime, & like with Ali some who matched well against him stylistically took him the distance, but ultimately lost.

Though Ali was mentally tougher even in their primes. Now Tyson was wrong or modest if you compare 20 vs. 20, but that is because Tyson peaked unusually young. That is not their respective peaks, & Ali had much more amateur experience & was older at his own peak.

I gotta add to the corrections of folks who say Tyson was better every way than Frazier. He was Frazier 2.0 in muscle, speed & defense. Yet as others said, Frazier was an exponentially better infighter, had a better work rate, & more heart/toughness than most anyone. Tyson hitting a little harder & great combinations would not necessarily have the same effect of Joe's constant inside work.

Sonny was still great, though he tanked one fight, & Ali was just approaching his peak. Tyson at his absolute peak fought like Ali good, not ATG fighters. Rare to have 2 peak ATGs clash.

Ali did not need to clinch very much in the 60's. 70's Ali vs. 90's Tyson year for year, I would favor Ali until the Parkinson's got too pronounced at the end of the decade.

 

The point I was trying to make was Ali went the distance in close fights with many bums, yet Ali fans try to use the Holmes fight as a way to downplay Tyson's chances against Ali despite the fact Tyson knocked Holmes out in four rounds, using that brief moment where Holmes started flicking that feather duster jab as 'proof'. The double standards are just ridiculous.

 

It comesdown to more than just double standards. You have to combine that with their stupidity.

 

The thing is Ali went the distance with people that he sometimes carried.
The people that gave him hell and took him the distance were good fighters.

 

Tyson 86 to 88 KO1.

 

So when they take Ali the distance they are automatically either good fighters or he is carrying them, yet when someone lands so much as a glancing blow on Tyson it is seen as a fundamental flaw, despite the fact he barely took a single punch during his prime?

Ali sure had a knack of carrying people, either that or they are all good fighters, despite the fact most of them had DOZENS of losses on their record.

Sorry but it reeks of bull**** and double standards.

 

Mike Tyson was a great fighter but he has a **** resume. He mentally quit against the first great fighter he fought and got stopped. No one cares how many KO1 he has against his bum of the month club

 

This is what i dont like is the double standard and putting another fighter down to make another look good. Seem to be in fasion to label tyson as mentally weak and no stamina ect, yet before prison while in his prime there is no evidence at all of that.
You can pick holes in any fighter, and there resume.

 

Someone that mentally quits doesnt go on to take a beating they dont have to just to try and land that one punch, wich he almost manged to do.
Mentally quit would be what he did against mcbride near 20 years later.
And before you go on, yes i belive he was in his prime against douglas, what happened out the ring is on him, his own fault.
But theres no way he mentally quit.

Ortiz quit againts maidana, thats quitting...
At least tyson tryd to the end, that takes heart when you take a prolonged hididng like that.

 

Im not implying he quit against douglas he certainly showed alot of heart. Im happy atleast someone can admit mike was in his prime for that showing. Lackluster training and focus is his own fault one cannot discredit a loss for these reasons. Post prison tyson quit more than once.

 

Yeah tyson was in his prime before prison, its his own fault if he didnt train ect, but i personally feel post prison he wasnt. After spending 4 years out the ring and over 3 of them locked up without being able to train is not gonna do you any favours. His timing, speed, movement ect had all gone to ****.
He still wasnt too bad up till the ban after holy 2, no where near what he was but holy fought a very sound tacticly rough fight.
I feel if they had fought when they were meant to in 90-91 holy would have come unstuck for his tendency to go to war and open up when he was hurt. In 96 he was bigger stronger and also alot smarter fighter.
But anyway my point is pre prison in his prime he never quit had mental issues in the ring or stamina issues.
If people are gonna go off the best ali then they have to go off the best tyson too.

 

Tysons always had mental issues stemming from his amateur days where he wanted to quit a few times - rooney virtually had to push him of his stool. Need to read the only authentic biography of Tyson - Mike Tyson , Money , Myth and Betrayal by Monteith .M. Illingsworth , it will open your eyes to what Damato and Rooney did'nt the public to know about Tyson - that he was the most mentally fragile boxer of all time . Read it .

 

To me, this is a very easy choice: Ali.

Even at Tyson's peak, when his megafans say he was untouchable, he was extremely lazy on the inside and prone to being inactive up close even when his hands were free. He's certainly not going to beat Ali from the the outside, and he's not going to be able to control the mid range with his speed the way he could against most of the guys he fought. Add in Ali's superior skills with parrying incoming blows, moving with punches, tying up on the inside and wearing guys out with wrestling tactics, and you have Ali possessing the edge in most categories.

And that's without Ali's superior stamina, (coming from the 15 round era) and such.

If it was the two guys in their prime it would be exciting as ****, but on a cold analytical level, I'd strongly favor Ali. I would be shocked if Tyson pulled it out.