My Official Top Ten List

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  1. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Cultural impact as a criteria is bizzare.
     
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  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    yeah lol

    like what cultural impact did Dempsey have drawing the color line and refusing to give a historically great black man a shot at his title?
     
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    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    I also think it's unfair to punish boxers who weren't as famous as others. It feels more like a popularity contest than an actual useful criteria. For example Tommy Morrison has had more cultural impact than Pongsaklek Wonjongkam but I would rank Wonjongkam way higher than Morrison on a pfp list.

    Edit: For example Longevity was not an criteria for this person's list. How is cultural impact more relevant than longevity? I just don't see it.
     
  4. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that's a gawd dam good list. I like Marciano above Tyson for example.
     
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  5. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's one of several criteria to judge an athlete. There's Babe Ruth, Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, John McEnroe, Wayne Gretzky and Pele who even non fans know their name. I was reading about Ali-Spinks 2. Lilian Carter and Jacqueline Onassis were in the SuperDome that night. It was probably the first and last boxing match they attended.
     
  6. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think Jack Johnson would definitely deserve to be in the top 5.

    John L Sullivan might do too.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Also the first million dollar gate, so not much, I mean they name a fish after just about anyone.
     
  8. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I should have done what the IBHOF and separate boxers by era.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think doing it by eras would be a good idea before doing an all time list.

    It would certainly help spot any gaps in knowledge.
     
  10. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not saying Dempsey didn't duck Black guys but even non fans of his era and an era or two after it knew his name. Boxers are athletes are entertainers. I don't know you can ignore their cultural impact.
     
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    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I admit to a paucity of knowledge of boxers before Joe Louis's era. But those scenes of a young Jack Johnson played by James Earl Jones in bed with Jane Seymour stayed in my head.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I don't understand how a critic of Dempsey could even argue against his cultural impact. They usually argue that's why he's overrated.

    Having seen his arguments about Tunney, I think he just refuses to give any credit to fighters he doesn't like.
     
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  13. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His last professional bout was in 1927. He was still a big deal in the 60s. I know more about the legend than the boxer.
     
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    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Johnson and Dempsey too high, Holyfield and Lewis too low.

    Not sure at all about Foreman over Holmes..
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    and Wills wouldn’t have drew? More than Firpo, Gibbons Miske Brennan?