My P4P Top 30

You have not got Berchelt in Your Top 30...He will give Lomachenko Big Problems when they Fight...

 

Your Number 1 in Floyd has not Fought for 5 Years...is His number 1 Ranking on the back of the exhibition Match he has coming up.!!!

 

I think you could lower Mayweather just because of the erosion of his talents. He's not as dominant at welterweight as say Golovkin is at middleweight, Crawford is at junior welterweight, or Lomachenko is at super featherweight. Mayweather today, probably doesn't get past Thurman, Brook, or maybe even Porter. My opinion is he retired and has to earn his way back onto a p4p list.

I like how you got Rigondeaux up there. I tend to pair him with Lara as two guys with great skills one or two great wins who have boring styles and have largely been avoided in their divisions. Since he's beaten Canelo and Williams I could see placing him in the top ten even.

Nice how you got Estrada in there at ten. I often have him at around ten or eleven. Linares? I like it. You never see Linares on people's lists. He's got killer skills but featherfists and a weak chin. His skills should put him there but I think his physical flaws have to keep him a little lower.

I can't see putting Jacobs above Gvozdyk right now. Not with the way Gvozdyk is destroying people. I want to see him and Beterbiev go head to head like a pair of grizzlies. That would be epic. We might get a Foreman/Lyle type match out of it.

I take it from your having Canelo so low that you think he's mostly hype and has just been beating up older smaller victims? Can't say I disagree, and I like how you have Lara above him.

I need to see Nietes fight.

Good list.

 

No he won't. Berchelt is nothing special. Did you see the other night how much trouble he had with Miura?

 

Personally, I would not have the current Rigo so high. At his peak he was an incredible combination of power and defense, but surely his lack of meaningful fights and repeated knock-downs (even if he paid them back) has to lower his status. There are grounds to suspect his gifts have erroded and he is no longer the fighter he was. And to be brutal, his reputation is mainly a matter of a stellar amatuer career and one great performance vs Donaire (who was possibly overrated due to a few highlight-reel KOs and goodwill for volunteering for a stringent VADA testing regime).

 

Santa Cruz and Frampton are neck and neck in my opinion. They both are 1-1 against each other, both beat Kiko Martinez. Frampton's got Quigg but Cruz has Mares. Actually, I think resume-wise Santa Cruz has more title fights, more weight classes. I might put him just above Frampton. Anyway, they're both scared of Rigondeaux and want nothing to do with him.

 

As opposed to Lomachenko?

Oh, and Donaire earned his p4p status back then by climbing (I want to say five?) weight classes. Winning about 12 title fights and hammering the daylights out of hall of famers Fernando Montiel, Jorge Arce, and Omar Narvaez. Darchinyan and Nishioka were good too. That's as legit as it gets. Donaire back in 2011 was like Inoue or maybe Gonzalez are now.

 

i like this list, it's ballsy and you've gone against the grain in cases where i think it's valid, but i do have some disagreements, naturally.

i rate garcia, inoue and crawford very highly but what have they done to earn a spot above the just as mesmerizing gonzalez, who's proven himself against more quality fighters in more weight classes? his one 'loss' was dubious to say the least, and if you are giving credit for said loss, why isn't rungvisai in the top 30 himself?

linares is definitively too high. it doesn't matter that he's a wonderful boxer when his flaws are as crippling as they are. the man lost to thompson and demarco and his best wins since then are over kevin mitchell and anthony crolla, and you have him at 11 p4p? i love watching him fight, but that just ain't justifiable.

i personally think golovkin's been slowly declining for a while, and obviously there aren't any really stellar names on his resumé, but the dominance of his victories over a range of good (not great) opponents is enough to make him top ten i think. the jacobs fight was a close, awkward one but i think jacobs is the one style of fighter that's all wrong for him. we have no reason to believe there's anyone out there who can beat ggg without evasively circling on the outside.

can you justify having canelo below lara? i mean, you implied above that you couldn't place pacquiao without placing horn ahead of him - that fight was more of a 'robbery' than canelo lara (which i personally scored for canelo despite not being a fan at all). canelo's resume is also at least a little better than lara's overall. i'd agree he's a tad overrated but i think you're doing the classic overreaction against hype here.

why is frampton above santa cruz? santa cruz showed an extra level in the second frampton fight that frampton has never shown, IMO. i have no doubt santa cruz would win again if they fought a third time.

yamanaka should be much higher. even the ring has him, an unknown and unmarketable japanese fighter, p4p top 10. he's earned his stripes big time, you're sleeping on him.

and yeah, not including pacquiao because of a poor performance against a mediocre fighter (+ robbery decision) is pretty dubious to me but whatever, can't say i really care anymore. he's kind of asked for it with these recent opponent choices.

 

Like Coltaine said above, that Linares choice is a glaring one. His negatives exceed his positives.

The other thing I keep coming back to is Mayweather at #1. I don't think he's been number one for a couple of years. Ward or Rigondeaux have probably deserved it more the last couple of years. There are at least 9 guys I think are more dominant at this moment. I'm not sure that Floyd is even the top welterweight anymore and a guy who can't beat everyone in his division has no place at the top of a p4p list. If you think that current Floyd beats Spence, Brook, and Thurman then by all means leave him where he is. But if you think Brook would make him look small and old or Spence would break him like a cheap toy, he needs to come down a few notches. Another hypothetical, Crawford is in the division below Floyd. Do you think Crawford could beat Floyd?

 

I think floyd would have a tough time with the young welters roster above. And i do believe a Crawford can beat the current version as well.

 

Cannot tell if serious. If serious, LOL.