My top 10 Heavyweights

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Prime tyson would have been way too strong for Ali .......:bbb
Ali almost got ko,d by a left hook from Frazier !!
Clay almost got ko,d by a left hook from Cooper....
Ali got hammered by Holmes.......
Ali lost to the limited Leon Spinks....
Ali lost to Berbick ......
Ali lost bigtime to Norton......

Face it he was / is way overrated...............:hi:

 

I'm sorry Heerko, but none of these, are very good reasons for justifying your list. Ali getting dropped by Frazier, after a near 4 year layoff, plus getting floored by a seasoned Henry Cooper when he was 20 years old, does not say much for what Tyson would or wouldn't do to him. Ali getting beat by Holmes is meaningless, given that he was 38 years old, and hadn't fought in two years. What's more, Holmes is rated higher by many than Tyson is.

Ali is commonly rated higher than most fighters, due to his legacy and accomplishments, and not necessarily how he'd do against fighters head to head. Although Tyson had an outstanding career, particularly in his earlier days, Ali's accomplishments vastly outway anything that Tyson ever did.

 

I respect all opinions and like to hear them because its always hard to see the big picture, In regard to Ali a lot of fighters were unknown until he fought them and when they beat him they became stars. Ali was the greatest to the non boxing fan but many feel he lost to Young,Norton, and a lot of his fights were stopped quick. I lived the era and Foreman was a young powerhouse but in there with a fighter who could survive the early rounds he was exposed, Lyle was never a power puncher but exposed a few of George's weakness and so did Young, Ali got the major credit. One thing I will say about Ali is that he delt with a lot of different stlyles and other than Joe Louis he fought the best variety, both men had there weakness but most of the time found a way to win but a lot of Ali's opponents were overated

 

No prob.

Head-to-head list? Well, it's perhaps someway different to my ATG list. I'd say it would look something like this:

1. Larry Holmes
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Sonny Liston
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Joe Louis
6. Mike Tyson
7. Jack Johnson
8. Rocky Marciano
9. Joe Frazier
10. George Foreman

 

What Ali showed in the Frazier fight was inhuman. That left hook would have decapited any other heavyweight but Ali stood up and fought back.

So I still rank Ali as the best heavyweight ever.

 

Joe Louis behind Lewis ?

You do remember Lewis got KO'd by Mc Call and Rahman do you ?

 

Louis is higher all time, however I think Lewis matches up better against more fighters regarding head-to-head combat. At his best (this being the key point)

The McCall punch was a good'un and though Lennox was on shaky legs he was, perhaps, hard done by not being allowed to continue. Rahman I defeat was a case of being out of shape, arrogantly overconfident and underestimating his opponent- a rare off night. Head-to-head is surely the best version of each respective fighter? No?

 

Oh you were talking about skills ? No problem with that :good

 

Your arguments are terrible. First of all, Ali was old and sick vs Holmes and Berbick so those fights doesn't count. It's not fair, that's it.
He was starting to get sick agains Spinks and he strongly underestimated him which of course he only had himself to blame but he beat him easily in the rematch.
"Ali lost bigtime to Norton" Yeah he lost, but you poured a little too much sauce on the taco. Bigtime :rofl

I don't know what you mean with almost. Almost got Ko'ed, almost this and almost that. You can make an argument that he ALMOST got knocked out but it's very weak because he didn't got knocked out, that's a fact.
That is what being great is all about. Name as many fighters as you can who would've got up from Fraziers left hook, it's not many.

 

Hi IM new here too, so i thought this wouldbe my first post in this thread.


My list is 40% Record 40% achievements, and 20% head to head




1. Jack Dempsy. I have him here at number one because he practically 'paved the path' for heavyweight boxing, and pretty much changed the way we look at boxing today. He was a great athlete, and he IMO, is the first boxer to use a style that resembled ours. With great handspeed, and footwork, power, and agility, he was a force to be reckoned with.


2. Rocky Marciano. (bare with me, because i think that this seems like an anti marciano forum) He has an amazing record, and is one that most likely wont be beaten. I also rate him this high because he had a great chin, mixed with superb power. And I think head to head, can defeat just about any heavy weight in history.


3. Joe Louis.



4. Gene Tunney


5. Ali- Before I spark an outrage, let me explain why. I personally think he is outrageously over rated. But none the less, is still a very great heavyweight. He didnt have an exceptionally great record, and i think head to head can be beaten my a fair amout of boxers. But his achievemnets were amaziong, dont get me wrong.


6. Lewis



7. Jeffries. An amazing athlete. Escpecially in his time period. If he was that great years agoi, when training, and medicine werent great, he would be a super man with todays technology. Head to head, i rate him higher almost everyone.



8. Holyfield-Holmes


9. Frazier-Foreman


10. Tyson. Youngest Champ ever. An all around great boxer, could have been one of the best. I believe he lost his edge during the bruno fight. IM not sure whether it wasnt a great style matchup or training issues, but he didnt beat bruno like he beat everyone else.

 

Hello, Luigi's alt.:hi:

 

Not so far fetched and a brave post on this site, Good argument for putting Dempsey # 1, I got the same top 3 but put Louis 1st but Cant argue with you