My Top 50 All Time Heavyweights

He beat prime versions of Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles. those 2 wins alone are far greater than any wins fitz has. walcott and charles are far better fighters than fitz. also he has wins over a slew of dangerous contenders like Sid Peaks, Obie Walker, Leroy Haynes, Otis Thomas, Lee Savold, Perk Daniels.

 

LOL who a fat slob below average tom heeney?

????? who???

 

"it should be a DQ 6 win for Elmer Ray."

Ray knew the rules he was fighting under and chose not to continue, thus accepting that the fight would be a no contest. You have a point that Ray may have been on the way to a win, but he did not win. I would like to see film before even considering making a judgement to reverse an official verdict.

By the way, the point of my post was that Ray deserved a high rating and you are quoting the "case against" which I reject myself.

 

Can't say you do not have a good point here.

Vitali has left this top 50 list, anyway.

 

I think one could make the case that Fitz's win over Corbett outranks Ray's wins over Charles or Walcott because it was a decisive knockout. Ray's wins were close and disputed. Fitz also has ko's of Sharkey, Ruhlin, and Maher, besides Corbett, and was probably screwed in the first Sharkey fight and the Choynski fight, both of which ended with his opponents out cold on the floor.

Fitz was certainly a remarkable p4p fighter in context of time and place and has some impressive achievements at heavyweight.

 

I think ray. last time I checked i had ray at 22, and tunney around 24 i think.






To me tunney is very unproven at heavyweight. he did not prove himself at this weight anymore than michael spinx did.

 

if thats the best one you got, then tunneys heayweight resume is very weak. heeney was a joke. the fact he got a title shot over sharkey and godfrey is a travesty and shows how corrupt boxing was at the time. heeney couldnt fight a lick.

didnt he get stopped later on his career by guys like baer? what punchers did heeney face pre tunney?

 

I dont think so. first of all it was not a decisive knockout, it was a fight where corbett knocked fitz down and fitz grabbed on to corbetts leg to save himself from being counted out. he should have been DQed. he was badly behind on points.

Ray won a clear decision over a prime jersey joe walcott in the first fight, walcott was better than corbett IMO. combine that with prime version of ezzard charles(whos better than corbett) in a very close fight that could have gone either way but rays aggresion proved superior, and you have two wins over fighters as good or better than corbett. defintley a huge edge to ray. were talking 2 wins over great fighters, versus 1 win over a great fighter. 2-1 edge.

Ray has wins over savold, peaks, haynes, thomas, walker, daniels, and first thompson fight(should have been DQ) many of these men were much bigger and had more modern style than the small bareknuckller types fitz beat.

But the point is thompson illegally intentionally hit ray low after taking a horrible beating, so he could get out of the fight. this in modern rules is a DQ. the fact ray couldnt continue was because he was in severe pain for his balls getting mangled up his ass by a thompson left hook. thompson should have been DQed, it was a travesty the fight was ruled a NC.

sure

 

Witherspoon and Thomas were better fighters than Ibeabuchi and Vitali.