My Top 50

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I know the top Hundred has been going strong for years but I've made my own top fifty and here it is and I'm happy to explain each placement.

    Each placement is based off achievements in the ring and Résumé. Not skill or H2H match ups imaginary or reality

    1. Sam Langford
    2. Harry Greb
    3. Muhammad Ali
    4. Ezzard Charles
    5. Sugar Ray Robinson
    6. Benny Leonard
    7. Ted Kid Lewis
    8. Henry Armstrong
    9. Archie Moore
    10. Joe Gans

    11. Jack Britton
    12. Tommy Loughran
    13. Maxie Rosenbloom
    14. Mickey Walker
    15. Willie Pep
    16. Ray Leonard
    17. Barney Ross
    18. Soilder Bartfield
    19. Joe Louis
    20. Roberto Duran

    21. George Dixon
    22. Harry Wills
    23. Lennox Lewis
    24. Jack Johnson
    25. Charley Burley
    26. Floyd Mayweather Jr
    27. Manny Pacquiao
    28. Gene Tunney
    29. Evander Holyfeild
    30. Tony Canzoneri

    31. Marvin Hagler
    32. Billy Conn
    33. Jimmy Wilde
    34. Carlos Monzon
    35. Jose Napoles
    36. Emile Griffith
    37. Kid Gavalin
    38. Jimmy Bivins
    39. Tommy Hearns
    40. Young Corbett III

    41. D*ck Tiger
    42. Tiger Flowers
    43. Barbados Joe Walcott
    44. Oscar Del a Hoya
    45. Roy Jones Jr
    46. Bob Fitzsimmons
    47. Stanley Ketchel
    48. Sam McVey
    49. Julio Cesar Chavez
    50. George Foreman
     
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  2. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Can someone please explain to me what Do La Hoya did to deserve being on so many top 100 p4p lists

    SRR not being top 4 is an interesting choice, Tunney is too low for my liking, same with Marciano not even being up there
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks!

    Firzsimmons is hard to see outside of the top 10 is hard to swallow and 46 seems very far down the list.

    No Packy McFarland, Terry McGovern, Sandy Saddler or Holman Williams, Jimmy McLarnin?

    Britton seems low, I would expect more in the 30’s?

    Lol you have given me incentive to read up on Soldier Bartfield.

    Thanks for putting your list out there. Don’t take my criticism or anyone else’s personally.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    I like Del a Hoya's Résumé and Achievements more than Marciano's (no offense) but only slightly.

    Del a Hoya has some good wins under his belt (Chavez, Quartey, Whitaker, as far as just names go)

    I've switched Charles and Robinson around more times than I care to name and I agree that Robinson is incredible I just prefer the Wins of Charles and ultimately Charles himself. I had Tunney higher too but I knocked him down a bit as I learnt some new fighters with better Résumés imo.
     
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  5. emallini

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    Jones below Oscar?
     
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    I like Fitzsimmons I really do, but I think due to a lack of Résumé (to rival the top 10 anyway) I can't see that high a placement. However his Achievements alone are incredibIe and I could see him being higher up. Sandler is some of have in the 60s really, just don't know to much about him or the others if I'm being honest.
     
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    Only slightly, however I could see a switch. I prefer the Wins of Del a Hoya to Jones overall and they have pretty similar achievements imo
     
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  8. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    McGrain is one of a handful of perhaps??? Expert/historian on this site? I would contrast with his list as a recommendation...but once again they are all opinions mate!

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-top-100-pound-for-pound-all-time-greats.459918/
     
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    Fair enough! It is part of the fun discussing these things and learning about them along the way. Many of my thoughts have shaped and shifted over the years, and many still are. This forum has played a role as has reading research and watching multiple fights weekly. Appreciate you joining the forum and your willingness to discuss things. I find it healthy to have my thoughts challenged to see if my position is defendable or arbitrary lol
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    Not a problem. I've used this Forum as a resource for around a year, by just searching fantasy match ups or reading other people's opinions. It's quite helpful!
     
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  12. KuRuPT

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    So you like Ali's resume above SRR's, basically?
     
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  13. roughdiamond

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    Mayweather and Pacman over Canzoneri and Wilde? I'm interested.

    I've never seen Ted Kid Lewis that high, and Joe Walcott is too low IMO.

    Do you judge more by film and hand to hand when rating?
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    It's just based off what I deem as Achievements in the ring (so Ali's 3* lineal heavyweight champion or Pacquiao's 8 weight champion) and résumé all in my opinion of course
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    Yeah pretty much. But there's not much in it between 3-5 but the top 2 are well above imo
     
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