Name for name: Carl Froch resume vs Joe Calzaghe resume

World rated you mean like Stevens
Murray
Lemuieux
Beale
Macklin
Etc etc
On the sceen of things most fighters floating round are world level hence they get thier shot
I might not follow certain division as close as a derferncsive fanboy but as I said past it older and no where near best like Roy but oakey beat that relevant win you bang on about better than Joe this is fact

 

Decent now your nearer the truth
You can't Polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter which your good at doing

 

Let's be fair here. Eubank was preparing for a 175 fight and had to drop the weight when Collins pulled out. He was drained. Kessler was a great win though. Hopkins was a good win but I never got the feeling that JC showed he was the better boxer. The fight was a mess but he did win more rounds. Still, JC was better than Froch.

 

Calzaghe without a doubt carries a better resume, Prime Kessler, Eubank, past prime Roy and old Hopkins are all better then anyone Froch beat! not to mention froch lost against his best 2 opponents in Ward and Kessler 1 and got a gift against Dirrell, if you take these 3 guys out of the smw division it quickly would have been recognised as one of the weakest at that time so the super six didn't really look to interesting from where I was sitting. Ward, Kessler and Dirrell were the standouts in the super six and all (should) have wins over Froch so I cant see how anyone can rate Froch's achievements over Calzaghe's.

 

Odd thread to dig out from the past.

 

Eubank had around 2 weeks to make weight for a weight he claimed he could make beforehand and a weight he had made on many occasions previously.
Eubank was a great win and arguably due to Eubanks higher level and youth, better than Frochs over Bute, Wards over Kessler etc

 

Thats an interesting post and not something I could massively disagree with.
I think Froch deserves credit for sticking it out in the S6 and for how much he was on the road as well as facing every one of the original S6 one after the other with Johnson mixed in but I do agree that Calzaghes resume is far greater than Frochs as well as having at least 3/4 better wins than Froch has before the comparisons even starts.

I think if you took away Prime undefeated Kessler, Eubank, Hopkins from Calzaghes resume, there would still be a massive argument for Calzaghe having the greater resume with Mitchell, Brewer, Woodhall, Lacy, Reid, Bika, Veit who all were world rated and had, held or would go on to be a SMW champ and then throw in fighters like Sheika who beat prime G Johnson who Froch struggled with when faded as well as Starie who was at a similar level in his career to Groves when they fought respectively and Mkertchyan and Jones. I would still rate Calzaghes resume higher.

Problem really was that Calzaghe was often dominant and not having to keep coming back to win if you know what I mean

 

Bute is a better fighter than Kessler and was arguably a better win than Hopkins given he was in his prime, undefeated, and Froch was a big underdog coming off a loss to Ward. Not to mention Froch beat Kessler himself albeit later. Pascal became lineal champ at LHW and I think is better than Eubank at the time they fought as Eubank was past his prime. Lacy is only talked about in the context of being a favorite over Joe and outside of that hasn't done much, Taylor is a better win.

 

Who did Bute beat to make you think he was better than prime Kessler. Bute looked like he was lucky not to be stopped by a fighter Kessler took the 0 from and faded Kessler beat Froch who beat Bute.
Also further to that Pascal lost to Hopkins at LHW who would go on to easily beat Bute.
Your argument makes no sense what so ever.
What did Pascal do at SMW. Thats the division that he fought Froch in and the division that matters. Calzaghe beat Hopkins who beat Pascal when he was lineal champ at LHW some years after.
Your argument makes no sense what so ever.
Eubank was a SMW legend with one of the best SMW resumes ever. Lets compare what Pascal did at SMW and what Eubank did at SMW, tnhe division where those fights were respectively.
Taylor at SMW is a better win than who? he was 1-2 when Froch fought him and would lose his next SMW fight after. He was not a better SMW win than Mkertchyan.
Do answer the above

 

The Andrade rematch showed improvement from Bute. You're taking triangle theory a bit far there.

Bika, Miranda, and Johnson are better than Kessler's best wins. Not to mention Bute having better technique and a trickier style.

Hopkins beat Bute? No. You mean Pascal? Yeah, after Froch knocked him out brutally. Bute never looked the same.

That doesn't mean you treat SMW Pascal and LHW Pascal like two different people just for the convenience of your argument. Pacal was next in line after Taylor to contend.

Again, I didn't score it for Calzaghe and you're relying on triangle theory, using Hopkins' win as Calzaghe's when Calzaghe didn't even clearly beat Hopkins.

Eubank was clearly on his way out, and Taylor or Groves are each better than Lacy and on par with Bika.

"SMW legend" doesn't mean much given the lack of history the division has btw. Let me be clear, we're debating two men who aren't in contention for pound for pound ATG status. I'm not really fussed about having either over the other as its close. A prime vs past it Kessler being one of the key differences between the two makes the argument not worth too many more words for me.

 

That's truly though provoking stuff there. I am glad I logged on today..

 

Hold on hold on just watch what I do here



But pascal was world rated at both smw and lhw



Lol

 

Froch beat Reid more convincing than Joe fact

 

I will give it to you. You had me hook line and sinker for while thinking you were being serious but when I read your first paragraph (didnt read after) how you say Bute beating old faded, boiled down G Johnson who had lost more at SMW than won and coming off a loss was better than any of Kesslers wins I knew then you were trolling. This is the same G Johnson that when prime lost to Sheika who people forget Calzaghe beat. (you cant make a sensible debate to counter any of that).
I truly believe you to be trolling now and if you are not, then are completely clueless about the division and posting on subjects you know very little of.
Happy New Year

 

Froch beat a very faded Reid more convincingly than Calzaghe did a prime Reid.
Froch also lost to a faded Kessler coming off a loss that faded end of SMW career Calzaghe beat when prime
Calzaghe also beat undefeated prime Kessler more convincingly than Froch did a faded end of career Kessler.