Nasim's gameplan for SSM to beat FMJ:

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  1. northstar

    northstar Member Full Member

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    What's interesting about the cotto fight is that eventhough cotto was boxing mosley, he was able to hit cotto pretty consistently with his power shots. I think what happens to mosley sometimes is that he can be drawn in to a brawl or rely mostly on his power shots if he feels he can hit you cleanly and often (particularly with his right hand). He probably thought that cotto would have eventually folded.

    I highly doubt going into a fight with floyd that mosley would be swinging for the fences because of the widely known fact that floyd is extremely elusive.
     
  2. spooky

    spooky Active Member Full Member

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    I will be suprised if pbf takes the fight. not that he cant win... just we know he likes easy fights against smaller guys. SSM may be pushing 40 but is still a step up in competition as compared to the usual pbf opponents.
     
  3. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    obviously floyd is the better defensive fighter and he uses angles better than mosley. like someone else said, cotto was able to outbox shane with short, accurate punches from angles, but cotto still got hit an awful lot with the harder punches. cotto looked in his best shape that night. how will floyd react to those punches nobody knows. shane can also tie floyd up and hit him while doing that. he'll have to make floyd come to him even if it makes the whole place boo them. when floyd starts coming forward he is much more in position to get tagged like judah got him.
     
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    As you can see from these highlights, or lack there of.....outside the final round there was'nt much going on.
    Mayorga who is normally aggressive, was patient and waited.......when Mayorga attacked, he feinted Mosley before doing so.......as a result, Mosley looked like a shot fighter.

    I just cant dismiss this awful showing by Mosley over a fighter who yes is awkward, but does'nt have a whole lot of skill.
    Mosley's in deep deep trouble against Mayweather.






    .....having said that, Mosley should imo abandon the jab.....anyone thats paid attention to his fights know its about useless against a fighter that has any real skill.......
    Mosley needs to use his raw strenght and bully his way inside and early on dig strictly to the body.
    .......Ricky Hatton tried this same approach, but it turned out Mayweather was stronger than Hatton on the inside.......one thing I can guarantee here is that Mayweather is not stronger then Mosley.

    Keep digging the body with a fair to high workrate and hope Mayweather runs into something along the way.
    Just 3 or 4 years ago I would have thought Mosley had a good chance to pull it off with how I described it......but at nearly 40 years old, the chances are very slim.
     
  5. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nazim in Mosley's corner makes this VERY interesting. Arguably the smartest trainer in boxing. The guy KNOWS boxing inside and out. He'll have the right plan for Mosley, whatever it is.
     
  6. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Read about McCall's defeat of Lewis. They had a plan based on one deficiency of Lennox - bringing his jab a little more in front of his face when throwing the one-two. When LL went to throw the right, after the jab, McCall trained to counter with his right and bammo, LL KOed. I guess this may be deemed a trap.

    What SSM will be looking for is a good chance to plant his feet and fire a big left hook or something else knowing that FMJ will be at the end of it. This might require setting up FMJ for a large portion of the fight until PBF expects SSM to do A but instead does B.

    It could only be one shot that decides this fight. If this goes to the scorecards there is no chance in hell of SSM getting a decision. PBF erks out those rounds with 5 seconds of combinations and there is way too much money to be lost with PBF losing his 0.

    Watch Taylor vs AA, that was one of the first if not the first time he threw the right that way and boomshacker - JT KTFO.
     
  7. slantone

    slantone Ring General Full Member

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    this is THE way to beat mayweather that I ve been saying, to fight fire with water- not with more fire. To out mayweather mayweather- to basically stink out the joint and fight as negatively as he does. the only thing is, you need the right personality to do so. I think Mosley by nature hasnt got the temperment to fight like this- he s to proud- he likes to fight- to hit and be hit. you have to be someone who really likes to move and tap- like an amateur style- which is where floyds only losses have come. someone like spinks.

    in fact- floyds closest fights have come against guys who were very good amateurs - guys who are used to the point system of hitting and not bieng hit- like judah and oscar. guys who fight- get ****ed up by floyd. or so far anyway.
     
  8. K-Man

    K-Man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why should he ? Because he's Floydieboy ? Looks better ? Throws around the better garbage talk ?

    The guy winning a garbage round with not much action is the guy who lands more visible. It's not a law of nature that this has to be Floydieman Sugarboy Moneymaker.

    You will lose such a round if you are surrounded by too many bitchass trashtalker fruitcakes in training who tell you to train something different than stealing rounds. "Press him! Throw a zillion punches and exhaust yourself! Be predictable! Run into Floyd's counter! Get knocked down off-balance as much as you can! Yo, I am the guy with the hat with the pimp feather, I tell yo how yo lose!"


    Floyd is quick, but he is not inhumanly fast. He capitalizes on his opponents buying the mindless stupid ***** talk of their entourage and corner, charging him and running into his counters, or standing flat footed infront of him in his potshot reach like Hoya. If you keep slightly out of his distance, he has to make a step first, so you can easily dodge what is coming with a safety move - NOT staying upright infront of him with your head pinned in place like a statue, how all the idiots fought Mayweather. Mayweather can land **** too when his opponents is a negative ***** bending low, leaning away, and moving out, off the line you can throw punches on. Mayweather isn't the 24 years old guy anymore who can go a high pace and throw volumes that would get him slow rounds. He needs his opponent to waste power doing mindless charging, so he can steal a round in the last 20 seconds with just one or two visibility actions.

    A good boxer can keep slightly out of distance without looking like running. You get hit when you stand while your opponents shifts himself into launching distance, when he is quick, or has a good timing. If you intercept the approaching, he cannot do it, because your arm size and step length is limited. If you are off distance, you are off distance. No speed in the world can get you extend your arms more than their length. Move around, or dive low into him and hold him first. DO NOT STAY IN DISTANCE TRYING TO "COUNTER" HIM. That is rule #1.

    So, Mayweather can fight like that, but everyone else cannot ?

    I tell you something. Floyd fans don't like it to read a gameplan that would work against him.

    If Mosley sticks to this, and develops a good timing and variety in executing it, he has a chance to win. With every mindless trashtalk "plan" like "charging", "throwing volume" and other fantasies he is going to 100% lose. Simply because they will have to invent a gameplan on the fly when that "pressing", "charging", "throwing gazillion shots a round" is not working, and then they have to implement an improvised gameplan with no training against a guy who lived off executing his trained gameplan all his career the same way.
     
  9. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    He can find a way.

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    "Does he look like a *****!"
     
  10. Scratch2win28

    Scratch2win28 Member Full Member

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    Everybody knows how to beat FLOYD....LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. Zidane

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    Someone actually gets it, vernon first gave shane hell with that great lead headbutt and went on to clinch him to death, what we saw in the rematch was a draw, in all fairness.

    Then we have winky, someone who really is a 160lb guy, shell defense, that gave everyone hell, everyone from taylor to bernard. Not to mention in the rematch you could also have scored it a draw.

    One detail that everyone leaves out with the shane loss to cotto is that his father went on record to say after the fight that shane had scar tissue in his nose, the scar tissue held back lots of his oxygen and thats the reason you saw a really gassed shane in the later part of the fight.

    Now with floyd, a man that is smaller, weaker, just as fast. Mosley is gonna give that boy hell, and make him wish he took the pac fight.
     
  12. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    rough and tough..(hope that hispanic ref isnt there)...
     
  13. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    2 fast left jabs, a rapid right cross and a hook, and if he's standing after that he's gonna run.

    Who knows that quote?
     
  14. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    Shane needs the legs though!!!
    Remember the mayorga fight? Shane was lackin the leg movement!
     
  15. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    He will have trouble chasing floyd, but remember, even Oscar had him against the ropes a bunch.