Nobody is outboxing Usyk

Frazier has an iron chin? Because he lasted against feather-fist Ali. Foreman destroyed him like he'd never faced a HW puncher before. Foreman might have been 'Big' back in the days when colour TV was novelty, but a 6'3 HW these days is small. And his power wouldn't be AJ level either. Frazier would get KO'd cold by AJ with one or two bombs. No way in hell he takes the shots Usyk has at HW. Usyk would dwarf him. But more importantly Usyk would utterly destroy Frazier like he was nothing. It would be a comedy fight. Frazier has zero skill compared to Usyk. Frazier doesn't even look coordinated, he moves like a mong.

But as for this thread topic, Fury absolutely did outbox Usyk for a good stretch of the first fight and not just stealing rounds either. So yes Usyk won but if Fury hadn't been rocked so bad with the LH, partly due to not being recovered from a concussive fight months before, he could well have outboxed Usyk over twelve as far as pure boxing goes. Also Fury years earlier was better. So from a pure technical point of view Fury had the skills to do it or at least match him. That's not what 'history' will say, but it's pretty clear that wasn't the best Fury there's ever been. Also his trainer is an imbecile and spent years ruining Fury's boxing skills until Fury clearly just started ignoring him and going back to what he did earlier. Point is Usyk isn't on some completely different level to Fury boxing wise, even if you want to argue he's better.

 

I love Usyk but a murderer’s row of the following see him go about 50/50;

Lewis
Frazier
Ali
Foreman
Tyson
Vitali
Wlad
Holmes
Holyfield
Bowe

I can see Usyk losing about half of those. That’s no slight by the way, going 50% against that lot would be quite the achievement.

 

Because Bonavena hit hard but couldn't keep him down.
Usyk might have a better chin sure but in order to have any success in a style like Frazier had you have to have a strong chin or that style would be a disaster for someone that did not have one.

 

Right because Quarry couldn't punch right? Joshua would get run over by a Frazier because Joshua has a weak chin. Please Joshua is not and never was on any level of a Frazier.

 

No one is unbeatable and goes for Uysk aswell but Uysk has such a balanced skillset and a good variety of everything.

We also forget Uysk moved up to heavyweight at 32 years old. While we mention Fury's relative poor lifestyle for a athlete and AJ supposedly declining we don't mention that if Uysk came to heavyweight earlier he may have been even better who knows. I think it was also clear against Fury in particular his energy had to saved more in certain bursts of the fight more than at cruiserweight were he was busier and maybe even against AJ as I think Uysk best performance at heavyweight was possibly the 1st AJ fight (even though Fury was a tougher style matchup than AJ)

 

I'm supposed hater and I think he may even beat more than 50%, but yes I think he loses some

Not sure either guy above would go undefeated in a round Robin, but for my money Ali and lewis finish top 2

 

Quarry wasn't a particularly hard puncher his only real knockout win was over Shavers that's it

 

Are you revoking membership to the usyk fan club?? Lol

 

LOL

 

That's a very strong copium you're inhaling. Usyk wasn't his best version in the Fury fights either. So to sum up your post: if Fury didn't lose he would have won, LOL. And just because he clearly won 3 rounds, doesn't mean he would be able to do it for a full fight.