Nog says to Mir LETS DO IT AGAIN!!!

Mir doesnt have haters.

Nobody says that

 

Christ im tired of hearing about Mirs losses from 2006 when he he was a drunk fighting on 1 leg or what 2002 when he lost to Freeman ? Scur are you high when the **** did he get beat down by Wes Sims ? Sims got KTFO in the rematch and was getting schooled until he pulled some Pride headstomps in the first fight. Mir is nothing like the fighter he was years ago. Agianst Pay De Pano his leg even gave out like 1 minute in.

 

Calling Mir medicore or average; implying he won't be any more than a footnote in history is irrational and incorrect. Making statements like that is what a hater does.

He's got one of the more intriguing stories in MMA; he was a very young guy who burst onto the scene with great submissions, destroying guys including one of the best BJJ fighters at the time in Tavares very quickly, a lot like BJ Penn. Its easy to be a revisionist and write off the guys he beat, but they were all solid fighters at that time; more so it was how he was doing it, with speed and craftyness you just dont see in guys his size. That shoulder lock on Pete Williams sticks out as one of the coolest ever.

He then snaps Timmys arm to win the title, crashes his bike, fades into the background and gets fat and generally in terrible shape physically and mentally. His comeback was pretty terrible, but then at the Hardonk fight we see a bit of the old Mir, then he pulls out a fantastic sub over an incredibly impressive Lesnar and knocks out Nog for the first time in history; impressive no matter how hurt Nog was, it was still the first time anybody including Fedor stopped him. Not that it was the same Nog, but it is still impressive.

History will remember him as a guy who was succesful in 3 distinct eras of MMA: the "dark ages" period when MMA wasn't even on cable, the early modern era before the real explosion of the past years, and what is currently the modern era.

He will also be know as one of the first big guys to have a truely slick and technical ground game like a smaller man, and possibly the best offensive guard for a big man ever certainly in the discussion. You count the time guys lasted on the ground with Mir in seconds rather than minutes, and he did it with really unique stuff: the aforementioned Williams fight, the way he could grab a sub even when he didn't have it set up on the joint, like when he broke Timmys arm or "kneebarred" Lesnars shin.

Now obviosuly there were some pretty low points, but to act like they erase his accomplishments or like they had nothing to do with an absolutely horrible injury that it was possible he would never come back from physically or the mental and drug problems that injury caused him is just being irrational and wrong, which like I said is being a hater.

 

Nobody is seriously calling him 'mediocre'. He does, however, have a lot of losses to mediocre fighters, and if you're going to make excuses for them, but not accept Nogs grudging explanation of what contributed to his perormance, then you're being hypocritical.

 

More than one person has called him medicore or average, in those exact words. It's in one of the other recently active threads.

Nog was clearly not his best for that fight, but I still don't think he will win a rematch. He was obviosuly hindered by problems, but he is going to continue to pick up injuries and age; the specific injuries and the general aging are sperate issues obviosuly, but I think the general decline in his health and most importantly his chin are just going to continue to get worse.

The things that allowed Nog to win so many great fights are starting to leave him, and they are only going to leave him faster with time; having an opponent in Randy who is also losing those qualities is obviosuly going to mask their decline, but it's still there.

So I think the staph and miniscus played big roles, but so did the general aging factor, and the general factors are going to mean more and more specific issues. Also Mir deserves some credit regardless of what shape Nog was in, he still looked fantastic and still had to actually go out there and fight well to finish the fight, just like Cruz and Vera did; you can only fight the guy in front of you.

 

Fantastic post but tell this to the Scurs or especially that idiot CDN.

 

You STFU. About a week ago everybody said Nog was a fu*king corpse. Now all of a sudden he's the 2nd best HW again? Fu*k outta here. You fall off a fu*kin motorcycle and see how fast you recover. Idiot.

PS
Lesnar is gonna hand Carwin his ass:good

 

First off Nog is NO FU*KIN VERA STANDING WISE. Nog is light yrs behind Vera's striking. **** poor example.

And yeah Wes Sims Wes fu*king Sims. Wes Sims who was getting his ass handed to him and got fustrated and caved Mir's face in with illegal foot stomps. Wes Sims that got KTFO by Mir in the rematch. That's right yeah, Wes Sims. Keep going with that. I find that sh*t hilarious

 

atsch
No wonder I can never understand a word he says. It turns out he's just purring.

 

I personally thought big Nog looked shot vs Mir, I was suprised how sharp he looked vs Randy - Im glad he won because it would have been an injustice for Randy (also one of my favourite fighters) to have a win over Nog as Minotauro has been the superior HWT of the two.

Maybe there was something wrong with Nogueira vs Mir, Ive never seen him look as bad..... ever.

I hope he kicks Mir`s ass & goes on to beat Lesnar, the guy is a true legend of MMA & without question the best HWT in MMA history outside of Fedor.

War Minotauro :bbb

 

Well a broken leg is about as legit as a staph infection excuse that I keep hearing. Atleast Frank can prove his was real. I dont see noboddy else beating Nog right now let alone dropping him over and over and finishing him.

 

How on Earth can you call him average? He beat 3 of the last 4 UFC champs, and had a remarkable career before that as well. If he's average who the **** isn't? If he fought in pride you'd be calling him a legend, it's absurd.

Seriously, his kneebar you call "fortunate" but how is it any different than all the subs Nog has after taking a beating? He's got one of the best offensive guards of any heavyweight ever.

If Mir signed to fight Fedor you would be calling him great; if you can rationalize Rogers into one of the best up and comers and an actual worthwhile matchup, how can you call Mir average?