Note from Mike Tyson on most powerful puncher of all time

Sorry man what you are saying just does not nmake sense.
I am critical of Wilder as a boxer & for personal flaws, but given his results against modern sized HWs it is undeniable he has massive power in his right hand.

You cannot say that guys are less skilled -today-& if true it is made up for with bigger & often better trained-& this accounts for theb results.
There is no era where chins suddenly turn to jelly.

Regarding the biomechanics of it, Wilder generates tons of torque.
Also there are many ways to add power-some like a Butterbean benefit more from weight.
A thicker bone structure & massive hands helps generate force. Liston & Foreman.
Speed to, & yes long levers.
General efficiency of motion, some rely more on muscle...

You also took near the lightest, not a typical weight for Wilder.
Does not matter-he like Shavers are massive hitters.

Even if you were right about them not hitting as hard, consider that there is bias when you say that the power for "your" guy dwarfs them.
If you were talking about someone who did not hit hard that is possible.
But there is never a massive difference between top punchers of similar sizes.

 

I have to agree with you on this.

I always thought punching power had a lot to do with learning the best way (according to body type, etc) to apply leverage in order to maximize bodyweight involvement behind a punch. From what I see Wilder is a lot like Shavers in that he often steps way into his right hand. It's a very awkward but hugely effective technique to get one's body all the way behind a punch, and unfortunately it's closely related to a lunge (which makes it harder to reset from).

It doesn't always help to be a heavily muscled person if you don't know how to get your body behind a punch. George Foreman, though he certainly had this type of knowledge, was already so powerful a person/muscles that he didn't necessarly have to step in much to land a concussive blow. Whenever he did, the results were terrifying (Adilson Rodriguez, Cooney, Frazier).

Neither Shavers nor Wilder were anywhere near that muscualr, they just knew how use their bodyweight to its best advantage.

I could be wrong on any or all of those points, but this is what I learned and applied during my own training. I used heavy lifting to build me up to where, even if I was a bit off balance or not-bent-at-the-waist when I threw a punch, the result was still pretty heavy (and depending on the opponent's posiiton, occasionally shattering). But I also learned how to really propel my right by stepping forward with my left in a jab first, then launching the right as my left foot came down. This is a great way to basically through a javelin through someone lol. It works, but mind you only come way forward with the right foot when you're sure you can either reset fast, or the opponent's half done anyway.

 

Very we said my friend!
I think you are correct aout nearly everything...Except Shavers was nearly as muscular as Foreman, not too far off, but Foreman had a unique heavy handed efficacy, more so even than others with literal huge hands.

Are you stil moving insane amounts of weight, & being lifetime natural?
Like 8 reps (I am sure with goo form) of Dumbbell presses with 160 lbs.?

 

Not to mention the looooooong levers.

 

Hi my friend, yes still natural. I hit 610 lbs for 7 reps last week, not bad for a 56 year old dude.

And you're right, Earnie was a pretty built guy.

 

What exercise?

 

OK that is amazing!
Someone already asked, I would normally think since I referred to DB presses, you meant the bench press.
But even for you that as gotta be too much.
So deadlifts or squats. Since you have referred to the latter before, I assume that is what you meant?

And mind if I use you as an example when I create a thread about the mindless, unfair assumption that everyone is always cheating?
Or that we have any good idea what % are...What you achieved, fuhgettibout a new high at a relatively advanced age, on only Creatine if memory serves, it Extraordinary.

But athletics statistical outliers & freakish abilities.
You life more than the vast majority ON PEDs & lifting seriously for years ever achieve!

 

Ewps, thanks for pointing out my error.

Squats. I got 610 for 7 reps, then bumped up to 620 and got 5. But I was really feeling it the next day lol. I can only go so heavy every couple of weeks.

I was so happy to hit those lifts; as I might have mentioned awhile back I had hip replacement surgery in February 2021 (at the time I had a pronounced limp and was in terrible pain. I had to take massive doses of tramadol every day, all long gone behind me I'm proud to say )

I barbell bench pressed 300 lbs for 10 a couple of weeks ago, the most I ever got was 410X1. I tend to like the dumbbells better, I feel them in my chest more. Barbell tends to really hit my shoulders a lot.

And I use 5 grams of creatine a day. I used to take 25 but read warnings about kidney problems.

Yes, I have been blessed to be the most muscular and powerful I've ever been, in my mid-50s! I'm nearly 6 feet and 261 lbs. No steroids, growth hormone, diuretic junk EVER.

Thanks for the encouragement, my friend.

 

I'm surprised they didn't cast you in The Terminator.

Atm I'm trying to get into fitness industry, trying to get in shape rn so I look the part.

 

You're crazy strong, man. Good to see you posting here, still. I'd love to see why you'd be able to do if you transitioned to Rate of Force Development training. With that kind of strength, I'm sure the results in power and strength-speed would be devastating.

As for what you said about stepping through with your back hand the way you would throw a javelin; Joe Louis used to do that with his cross. He'd actually bring his right glove down as he was jabbing and use a circular motion to build momentum and when he threw the cross he would let his weight transfer so completely to his front leg that his back leg would come off the floor. You can see it here at 5:57.

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My favourite unorthodox method of building power is really only applicable to southpaws, but it's essentially shifting all of your weight forward onto that front foot when slipping a jab, and bending the knee straught down so when you push up of it, you're putting everything into a right uppercut. It's nasty.

 

lol Tyson was knocked out five times in his career. Chuvalo twice. Are you really going to tell me Chuvalo had the superior defense?

I'll concede Foreman's defense was very underrated, but Liston's was flat out superior and multi-faceted as JT stated.

 

Wow you are insanely strong. Most i can do on squat is 250 for 8 reps bench press 1 rep max the same weight. I'm only 22 FFS but only started lifting year and a half ago. Those are god tier numbers for me great job!

 

That sounds applicable in reverse to orthodoxers, definitely going to try it. I start with a deep left knee bend, rocketing up with that leg's strength and following through with my right shoulder/hip. I actually do step a bit into even that with the right foot.

Anyone ever check out the muscles in Joe Louis' legs? That guy LOOKS like he did squats!

You'll blow those numbers away in no time. You might want to make sure you stay away from too much alcohol, get plenty of sleep, and (in a way most importantly) eat! I try not to go overboard on junk, but I don't completely deprive myself either. I put away a lot of red meat, milk. Works great for strength and muscle size. But you might find a diet that suits your body better.

 

Right on about the defenses of Liston & Foreman.
Chuvalo I thought had one "slip" that likely should have been ruled a KD.
Where did you get 2 knock downs?