**Ok-let's not be crazy-Pavlik beat Jermain...that's it for now**

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Orishaman, Sep 30, 2007.


  1. KhanB

    KhanB Active Member Full Member

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    Quick question for you guys. Im gonna watch MNF downstairs but tell me quick. Do Ricans like Trinidad own up to the African American part of their ethnicity? He looks darker than me! Just curious. I'll comeback later to follow up.
     
  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't know he was half black.

    Here's the thing. I didn't know I was half PR until I was 15 (26 now). I didn't meet my real father until I was 25 (he is full PR and in the military). So he is showing me all he can about PR culture. I don't gravitate towards either, but towards both. I just grew up in one out of ignorance of knowing my background since no one told me (was told the exact opposite infact).

    So there are lots of things I don't know yet. Never heard Trindad mention it, so I am not sure if he is.
     
  3. KhanB

    KhanB Active Member Full Member

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    Im not a history professor but i know African slaves were at PR, Cuba, and Brazil among other places. Of course Tito has African blood in his veins, thats scientific fact.
     
  4. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    I amazed by your comments claiming my ignorance while you claim to know what all PR have gone in other areas other than Jacksonville, I been in Jacksonville many time, have performed there a numeorus times, clinics/workshop in the University, I been there I know that town...my line of work takes me to many ..many ..cities with a wide variaty of ethnics groups and I am telling you son, Jacksonville is not NYC nor Chicago nor LA...so please stop with the ignorant insults since they reflect back on yourself...where have you been other than Jacksonville...did your Mom or Dad ever seat down with you and talk to you about our reality as second class citizen for the better past of the 20's century...it took us PR's a lon gtime, long time to get accepted in the NY metropolis, and I tell you what..I came to this country in the deep south, Atlanta Ga as I mentioned, the prejudice was not there until I speak and they detected my heavy accent, that was not fun....I experinced it first hand, it was not pass to me....

    And I am surprized that your parents, the PR half has never tell you our early reality...maybe just maybe you should ask her, listen to what they ahve to say and then come back and insult me all you want...but the fact is that I know you won't be able to once you know and understand our history as inmigrants in the USA
     
  5. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    If someone would ever ask you , what makes a Puerto Rican...simple:

    African, Taino and Spaniard in that order...we PR's absolutely embraced our African heritage, we live our ancestry, and as a muscian and Ethno-musicology, I will tell you that our ancestry and with Africa in implanted deep on roots...we live it everyday, we eat, we speak it...African heritage flows thru our veins and the heart pump that African heritage with every pump....

    If you have issues with your father, don;t take it on me, I am simply trying to tell you the Puertorrican reality, not trying to be eman , but simply telling that we have suffered as much as African American in many ways...that's one of the reasons that us PR have such a strong affinity with Afro-Americans more than any other ethnic group even other latinos...
     
  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never said you weren't second class citizens. You cannot compare what immigrants went through in the US to what Blacks and Native Americans did. I claim you are ignorant to THEIR struggle, otherwise you wouldn't compare.

    Racial Slurs? Please....a racial slur was what blacks got when they were being NICE to them.

    I haven't insulted you any more than you have insulted me. You said I didn't like PR, then you try and tell me I am not Puerto Rican enough.

    Visiting Jacksonville is not the same as living here. Don't try and compare. You are extremely ignorant in that you keep making assumptions. You went through racism first hand....you keep assuming I haven't. You have made nothing but assumptions about me, and you won't own up to them.
     
  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who said I had issues with my dad? No one said that. Yet you bring it up as though it has bearing on what you said. I took issue with you telling me I didn't like Puerto Ricans and then telling me which culture I was. Don't try and put words in my mouth.

    Yes, all non whites suffered in the US in the early 20th century. Not on the level of blacks and Natives. Period. I know American history...yes, it was bad, but they weren't hanged, beaten, shot by the police or any of those things. It's not comparable. You keep talking about what I don't know....I am trying to educate you a little more on what happened here, since you clearly don't know, otherwise you wouldn't be comparing racial slurs to the things that happened to blacks in the 20's,30's, and 40's.
     
  8. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Let's just said this...your history is not up to par...I am a history buff...so..I am well versed on the history of this country...in particular with racial issues...and beleive me...PR's in NYC were treated short of linching....police brutality and antagonism towards PR's still exist in the east coast specially between Boston and NYC and all that coast realm between the cities...if you don;lt know it, just say it..becuase for other like that has experince it first hand..it is acutally disrespectful..

    You ahve a lot to learn about your half heritage, and maybe if you decide to learn about,more and more...you will graviate toward it, since our history is not to different the African American saga...from the Spaniards to the North Amercians the discrimination contiued ...even up to this point....

    Take a trip to NYC and spend sometime, and clear state your PR heritage and see how people react toward you....you might think you never left the deep south...and remember I lived in the deep south for 8 years..8 long years...my image othe USA when I cam to Atlanta was the incredible images that remain in my head from Birmingham, Selma, Little Rock....etc...

    BTW, for your information, if you really want to know about the Civil Rights travel to Birmingham, and go to the Civil Rights Museum, it will humble you up...I ahd the privilage to play at the CRM in Birmingham...exciting experience!!

    I am honestly trying to educate you regarding what constitute our heritage....I know you were not aware of that triumvirat of cultures...
     
  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am aware. You keep making these assumptions. That is your problem. I have been to Birmingham, I have been to Mississippi, NYC, where ever. My mom is from East Dublin, GA. If you know so much, you will get the reference. I don't need to be humbled on the violent history of the US.

    You see that? Short of lynching. Blacks WERE lynched. That is my point. Many had it bad, but they were not equal across the board.

    Either way, this was not the point at all now was it. You made a ton of assumptions about me. And you were incorrect. And you continue to do so. My history is quite up to par in America....my PR heritage is a work in progress. But that doesn't make me less of a PR.
     
  10. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Then you should have come out and said taht a long time ago....