Old Time Punching Machines?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    What a moron Mcvey is. He thinks Fitzsimmons couldn't punch after 1900..then uses data from his twilight years to fudge the numbers.

    Well, he floored a very good Gardner 3 times for the light heavyweight championship in 1903

    Floored Obrien in 1904, in a match that should have been ruled a KO as the timekeeprt said there was plenty of time in the last round.

    "Police Captain Hamm stopped the fight after Fitzsimmons caught O'Brien with a straight left-hand punch to the chin that floored him in the sixth and last round. The timekeeper clanged the bell ending the fight as soon as he saw the Captain. It was said that the officials stopped the fight to prevent O'Brien getting knocked out "

    ^^ Some home cooking in a Philly-based fight.

    Floored a then 14-4 fighter in Grimm who had never been stopped at least ten times in a six round match in 1903

    Oh sure he could not punch past 1900. Not.
     
  2. mcvey

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  3. mcvey

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    I asked you to name a decent fighter he ko'd after 1900,you haven't done because he didn't do so. I proved you wrong on the Coughlin result too.You mentioned a fighter called Mayo,that would be Phil Mayo, he was having his first fight and never had another,where can I read he was 300lbs? In the Gardner fight Fitzsimmons pushed two of the knuckles of his right hand back an inch ,hitting Gardner on the head in the 4th round, both knuckles splintered.

    In both the Sharkey and Ruhlin fights of 1900 , Fitz asked for and was granted permission to wear extra bandages to protect his damaged hands, he also wore specially made gloves as he had broken a bone in his left hand koing Ed Dunkhorst.
    After the second Jeffries fight Fitz said to the waiting reporters."Look at my hands .The knuckles of both are pushed right back,and broken ,smashed on his chin."." I have had trouble with my hands in all my contests,but I have done them in now trying to knock Jeffries out".

    Grimm was a welterweight punching bag who ended his life in a straight jacket in a sanitarium .Jack Johnson floored him 18 times in six rounds.
    Middleweight Hugo Kelly had Grimm down12 times in 6 rounds it was no feat flooring him,everyone floored Grimm and multiple times!

    You've come up with nothing as I knew you wouldn't.

    I've proved once again you were wrong, you would never admit it ,it doesn't matter, humiliating and exposing you is all the satisfaction I need.
    I was leaving this forum for good, but read your biased posts and decided to correct them.So the fact I'm still here is your fault!

     
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  4. reznick

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    Can't believe Fitz fought with bad hands his whole career, and was still a KO phenom. The conditions some of these guys fought in are hard to imagine.
     
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  5. Wass1985

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    I know from experience how much of an impact bad hands have, I shattered my little knuckle in a fight and it's never been the same again. Another problem I have is both my pinkie fingers are as bent as a dog's ****.... I never went to the doctors on time but when pressed by my family to see them I was told it's my tendons, they are fcuked and I'll never be able to straighten my fingers again. I wonder If any boxers have this problem.....
     
  6. mcvey

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    I have a bone callous on the base of my left thumb knuckle, two knuckles on my right hand that are damaged and a right pinky finger that will not completely straighten.Many hard hitters suffered from bad hands Max Baer to name one.Ali had the problem from hitting the heavy bag.
     
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  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not boasting but I hit way too hard for my hands, at the minute I'm weighing in at 107kg and I'm 186cm tall but for a big lad I've got really small hands. The rest of my bone structure is normal it's just my hands, they aren't freakishly small but nowhere near the size they should be for someone my size.
     
  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I did mine in fights, I don't think my little fingers can take the impact when I punch. Can I post pics on here?
     
  9. mcvey

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    I have small hands too, my Father had huge fists, his brother, the best street fighter in our town had little hands and never suffered injuries to them. The bone callous at the base of my thumb was the result of an incorrectly delivered punch that landed on the bone at the corner of the other guy's eye ,he had a black eye for a couple of weeks and I have a big knuckle for good. I guess it's the luck of the draw.
     
  10. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just goes to show how we are not designed for fighting, Mike Tyson did similar to me when he hit Mitch Green. Difference is he got medical attention whereas I was in a cell for the night with a hand swollen like a balloon. I didn't get it seen to for a few weeks and the only way they could do anything was to operate on it but I never had the operation.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Yes immediate attention is important.I have arthritis in that knuckle now, the follies of youth!
     
  12. dempsey1234

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    Who wrapped yours and wass' hands?
     
  13. mcvey

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    My injuries were incurred in bare knuckle encounters,apart from a sprained thumb once I never experienced problems wearing gloves.
     
  14. mostobviousalt

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    Grim was floored by Joe Gans too.

    And Joe Gans absolutely was not a heavyweight puncher.
    He wasn't even 140 pounds.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Grim' s gimmick was that despite being floored multiple times in contests he was almost impossible to put down for the full count it did happen a couple of times but very seldom. To use him being floored as an example of a man's hitting power betrays a lack of knowledge and an element of desperation in trying to prove a point that has already been discredited.

    We have Fitzsimmons own testimony that after the second Jeffries fight his hands were irreparably ruined.We also have his post 1900 ring record which shows conclusively that after 1900 he never stopped a fighter of any class in fact in13 contest he only managed 4 stoppages ,and one of them was a tko.
    Mendoza's agenda is to build up any Jim Jeffries opponents and he will not let facts get in the way of that.
    What possible motive would I have for saying Fitz's hands were so badly damaged his hitting powers were severely diminished after 1900 if it was not the case? Its a total nonsense.