Old Time Punching Machines?

Get help Mcvey! You're finished in this thread. You argue Fitz could not finish guys post-1900 ( Cherry picking dates ), but look how well he did in the punching machine test in 1902. Moron.

"In Pollack's excellent first volume of Jack Johnson,The Rise,he mentions punching machines and that Sam McVey, Jim Jeffries and Bob Fitzsimmons were measured on the same one.He quotes The Oxnard Courier of March 29th 1902 as stating that

McVey measured 1,270lbs, Jeffries1,100lbs, and Fitzsimmons 1070lbs. "

1,000 PSI or better is pretty rare at heavyweight. But it's not only the 1,070 PSI for Fitz, he knew where to hit, and how to get leverage on it, two things which this machine likely could not test

An oft-cited 1985 study of Frank Bruno, who'd go on to be WBC heavyweight champ, showed he could punch with a force of 920 pounds in the lab! How big of a puncher was Bruno? IMO, he could punch pretty hard.

 

Janitor, Mcvey will not listen or learn. You'd have better luck trying to talk to a brick wall.

 

Let's assume this is true, that happened in July 1902. You said he lost his power after 1900. You're wrong again!!!

Everybody knows Fitz landed hellacious shots on Jeffries. Ask Adam, he'll tell you too You're wrong again!! Fitz had plenty of power for this July 1902 fight.

Fitz by the testing of the machine in 1902 also showed plenty of power.

Maybe if you said by 1903-1904 he lost some power you'd have some support with your clearly biased agenda which is factually wrong!

Also, each fighter is how own cases as to when he loses his power. Saying Louis lost is power in his later years would be true, but saying Arhcie Moore lost his at 40 would be false. Stop trying to use your own examples without showing the full data. It's a hallmark of yours.

 

So, to summarise this thread, the official ESB all time greatest punchers (based on first hand sources) are:

1. Sam McVey - 1,270lbs,
2. Jim Jeffries - 1,100lbs,
3. Bob Fitzsimmons - 1070lbs
4. Rocky Marciano - 925
5. Frank Bruno - 920
6. Matt Donnellon - 830lbs

I added Frank Bruno from Janitors post in page number 2.

I know this wasnt what McVeys post was about, but it is interesting that when Frank Bruno landed that right hand reasonably cleanly against Mike Tyson, it was like being hit with Suzy Q. I wonder how tyson would have went if he had to negate 80 or so of these per round?

And looking at those figures, old or not, it is hard to argue that Fitz didnt hit with a super heavyweights power. It is hard to believe those figures were fudged or not at least reasonably accurate.

 

So he did have a quality post 1900 KO?

 

Man though, Fitz really was a marvel even with his hands damaged he still punches right up there with the best of them!

 

Jack O'Brien. Ya know the guy in 1909 who according to primary sources got the better of Johnson in a 6 round affair.

• Captain Hamm stopped the fight after Fitzsimmons caught O'Brien with a straight left hand punch to the chin that floored him in the sixth and last round. The timekeeper clanged the bell ending the fight as soon as he saw the Captain. It was said that the officials stopped the fight to prevent O'Brien getting knocked out. Watches around ringside noted there were 1 minute and 38 seconds left in the round. (New York Times)

Fitz showed his power post-1900, vs Jeffries in 1902, and on the punching machine. He also won the light heavyweight title post-1900 by flooring his man three times.

 

Well, Tony.

This board would be a better place without you. You're a racist, a bet welcher, a coward, and a liar among other tings.

You have issues with several posters here.

All I see is you regurgitating passes from books. The thing is we know you have a history of omitting passages from the very same book when it which undermines your agenda.

This thread has nothing to do with Jeffries, outside of Fitz demonstrating punching power in their 1902 match. It has everything to do you your stupidity.

 

Does this count? Louis and Dempsey's punch were measured not in PSI but in MPH, Dempsey's traveled 135mph and Louis at 127mph, according to Robert Edgren. If anything it shows Dempsey was a faster puncher then Louis. If you want to read the article it's on facebook posted by Greg Speciale.