Old Time Punching Machines?

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  1. mcvey

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    Interesting !
     
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    Forgot the article is entitled "WHO HIT HARDER DEMPSEY OR LOUIS?" by EDGREN. Dont know what paper the article comes from. The drawings by Robert Edgren, has a date 11-5-39
     
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    Thanks D!
     
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    Very, interesing. I havent found the article yet. But, this must have been a prime Louis (somewhere close to fight shape?) vs an ancient Jack Dempsey (not in proper training?) This is astonishing if true. Imagine the speed advantage a prime Dempsey would have had. Or was it somehow measured off of closer to prime film.
     
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    If you can get on Facebook and friend Gregory Speciale he posted the article. Edgren the writer was a well respected boxing writer, if you can find it it's an interesting read, even getting an opponent who fought both Louis and Dempsey, Jack sharkey, who gave his opinion of who punched harder Dempsey or Louis. I am going to type the article and post it when I have the time.
     
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    You're such an idiot, but seldom in doubt. A terrible combination to have.

    Look fool-- Fitz by testing high on the punching machine in 1902, giving Jeffries damage like he's never had before in 1902, and by anyone's account being deadly punchers is givens.

    Yet you question it, trying to frame a question that he could not punch post - 1900?
     
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    I highly doubt this.
     
  8. mcvey

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    These are my original remarks.
    "Yes I would have expected Jeffries a 27 years old reigning champion to register better than a 39 years old Fitz who only scored 2 kos over two nobodies in the rest of his career from 1902 onwards"


    What's to say Fitz can't hit a bag or ball as hard as he ever could at age 39? The punch machine is not hitting back or moving away.

    Not scoring many knockouts as he got older does not mean he's not hitting hard. It just means he's not timing them as well.
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    "His subsequent record and his own statements that he did not have the power in his later years that he had earlier. Reference The Fighting Blacksmith for Fitz's comments.

    In 1902 a man nearly 40 was ancient for contact sports.
    If you are not timing your punches well ,you AREN'T hitting hard.
    Timing is intrinsic to correct delivery.

    Watch Louis against Charles and Marciano."

    Get some one to explain them to you.
    I asked you 5 times, who of any consequence Fitz ko'd after1900?

    You've come up with nobody!

    Now stop showing the world what a cretin you are, we already know!
     
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    Why do you doubt this? Cos you think it not true or is the test flawed in some way, or some other reason?
     
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    Why do you doubt this? Cos you think it not true or is the test flawed in some way, or some other reason?
     
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    Because it doesn't suit his agenda.
     
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    Boxers have had radar tests before, and no one is close to 100MPH.

    If Dempsey threw punches at 120+ Miles per hour just two feet away, there would be next to no chance to get out of the way.

    A baseball player is often hit by a pitch at 80-90 miles per hour, and he has 60 feet to see it coming and knows when it's coming.

    Think about that for a while.

    I think the test in some way is flawed and doubt there were machines capable of accurately measuring it in the 1920's.
     
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    I believe Louis was clocked in the '30's.
     
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    Boxers have had radar tests before, and no one is close to 100MPH.

    If Dempsey threw punches at 120+ Miles per hour just two feet away, there would be next to no chance to get out of the way.

    A baseball player is often hit by a pitch at 80-90 miles per hour, and he has 60 feet to see it coming and knows when it's coming.

    Think about that for a while.

    I think the test in some way is flawed and doubt there were machines capable of accurately measuring it in the 1920's.

    Dempsey.

    Who clocked him and what was the test. Do you really think boxers can punch at 125+ miles per hour?

    I did some research on the web, and as I suspected it's fantasy

    British boxer Ricky "The Hitman" Hatton (ex-welterweight champ) had an average punching speed of 11 mps (25 mph), with maximum speed of 14 mps (32 mph). Check it out here:

    [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...[/url]

    According to the Guiness World Records, the "fastest martial arts punch in the world was 43.3 mph" or 19 mps.

    The real champ in this league is the mantis shrimp, which can "punch" at a speed of 22 mps (50 mph):

    [url]http://scienceblogs.com/notrocke...[/url]



    >>>Like I said, 1-3 feet away there is no reaction time to125+ MPH. It'ss a blink of an eye. 30-35 miles per hour on a punch is still plenty fast.

    Case closed here. I'm sure you and most people will accept the data, but Mr agenda. AKA Mcvey won't.
     
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    I'm absolutely indifferent to the data.I neither accept it or reject it.