Oleksandr Usyk outclasses Joe Louis.

It really has nothing to do with Usyk and Louis, just that amateur and professional competition bear very little resemblance to one another, especially in boxing. At least in football, soccer, baseball, and basketball the rules are roughly similar with the emphasis on roughly. Pro and amateur boxing are radically different.

 

Clearly, there is.

 

And even with thoe similarities in those sports no one would bring up a players amateur career while discussing their pro exploits.

 

No one could see Louis being outboxed by Conn or dropped by Tony or taken out by Schmeling either. Did anyone see Cooper dropping Ali before it happened?
At the end of the day, when a guy is that active he is bound to have moments of weakness. There's no shame in struggling with two ATGs like Conn and Schmeling, and despite Galento being arguably his worst moment, he still butchered an iron chinned Tony in four rounds

 

My top ten at heavyweight and how Usyk (of Dubois 2 ) fares against each of them in their primes.
An L indicates Usyk loses and a W indicates Usyk wins.


ALI.................................L
LOUIS..........................50 - 50
LEWIS.............................L
FOREMAN........................L
MARCIANO......................W
HOLMES........................50 - 50
FRAZIER..........................W
TYSON.............................W
LISTON............................W
W. KLITSCHKO.................L.

 

I think he wins against Foreman but loses to Mike Tyson.

 

I think boxrec doesn't list a full fighters amateur record, Dick Mctaggart supposedly has 600+ amateur bouts and he's only listed as having like 50

Lomachenko had 397 bouts but boxrec only lists 93 of them

 

My buddy had two pro fights which he lost. He has a page at boxrec.

 

I don't think anyone defeats Foreman before Ali takes his soul in Kinshasa.

Mike might pull it off but but IMO, Tyson never beat anyone as good as Usyk.
(Possible exception of well past prime Holmes).

 

Usyk is an extremely well conditioned, crafty, brave, intelligent fighter with excellent footwork and a solid chin. I personally feel his two victories over Joshua were very competitive wins and his two victories over Fury were exceptionally close, pretty much razor thin at most. His fight against Chiorsa was very close and difficult . His first victory over Dubious may have been the result of a poor referees decision while his second win was terrific. I have nothing but admiration for him in and out of the ring but to say now all of a sudden he is an all time great heavyweight champion is a deep dive. Maybe he beats Joe Louis and maybe he doesn't but I feel he'd have a far bigger set of challanges fighting the best guys close to his heavyweight size with their greater speed, and skills to go with their natural strength and power that his stylistic matchups squeezing by giants ... makes for good copy though ...

 

To me it’s obvious and I don’t know what more Usyk has to prove to be favoured here.

Louis stands statue still, no variability to his rhythm, so Usyk would see everything coming, and Usyk did have variability to his rhythm and would feint up and down, feint in and out with the feet and punch off of it and you don’t know what’s coming.

Usyk doing that would make Louis not know when Usyk will throw, and wouldn’t be able to read his rhythm at all, and Louis will just end up throwing blindly, which will mean Usyk can read it even easier and just avoid or counter when it’s there.

it’s not like Louis is bigger and he can just bully him either, Usyk is like 20lbs heavier.

Seriously, can someone tell me what Louis would actually do here?

 

You need to watch more Louis fights, Devon.

 

And watch them closely.

 

Maybe give an actual breakdown