Oleksandr Usyk Versus Mike Tyson

Who beat who isn’t this much relevant to a fantasy match-up discussion, you only do so because you don’t know enough boxing to make a technical analysis of the two. Its always who beat who with you, you literally tried to argue Fury had issues with Whyte because Whyte landed 8 jabs over 6 rounds, you are just a waste of time.

 

Because you're plan is to hype Chisora up to world level based on his losses. Why wouldn't Tony Tubbs beat Chisora ? Both of them have several losses, Tubbs the better wins and a better controversial loss to Bowe compared to Chisoras controversial loss to Parker. Forget resume. Tubbs is more skilled straight up. What the hell does Chisora do better besides plodding forward ?

 

Tubbs doesn’t have the legs to avoid Chisora’s pressure and he is too underpowered up close.

 

****ing chisora beating tubbs this sub has gone down the drain

 

Deal with it

 

Slaughterhouse 5,

maybe 1 even, but certainly in 2, 3 or 4.

give us you're Ali 'picked' round, but regardless of the 'round' it is certainly going to be a Slaughterhouse.

 

I ain't dealing with this kind of bait lol

 

You don't need legs when tree feet weak chinned Whyte beat this guy and never got dropped once in their 2 encounters. Chisora loses to everyone good, so a decent former champion like Tubbs has to be favored despite his losses. The more likely scenario is Tubbs lights Chisora up for 12 rounds compared to Chisora KOing him, Chisora is slower than Butler and telegraphs his shots.

You said Ngannou would probably beat Tubbs opposition with a straight face for Fury damage control. There is recency bias, then nostalgia bias, and then there is stupidity

 

Whyte has literally nothing in common with Tubbs, you are once again making false equivalences and all Butler had on Chisora was speed due to being 30 lbs lighter and some more power, he is worse in every other way.

No I didn’t, I specifically said Ngannou probably beats Tubbs’ 87-89 wins, which consisted of absolute nobodies. You are so obsessed with your hatred on fighters that you don’t even properly read comments, you just twist everything to fit your narrative.

 

Ngannous claim to fame is embarrassing Fury before getting decapitated by the other top guy he faced, which says more about Fury than old Ngannou on his debut. Its nothing but Fury damangw control to claim Ngannou would beat anyone ranked in the top 30 in the 80s. Random journeyman could beat that guys ass, plenty of journeyman did better against aj that's for sure.

Tubbs beat Smith who was a solid power puncher. Who did Chisora beat thats better than prime Greg Page ? Takam has no wins on Page's level. Both of them have several losses, so resume is far the more tangible quantity

Nothing in common ? You're correct there, Tubbs is better in every way besides power. Tubbs is faster, better punch selection, better combination puncher, better defense, superior angles. His chin is probably better too

 

Ok, give me one reason as to Mike Jameson and Eddie Richardson would beat Ngannou.

You are once again backtracking to comparing resumes because you can’t actually argue who wins between these two guys and styles. Smith doesnt fight like Chisora, Page doesnt fight like Tubbs, Takam is completely irrelevant here.

Whyte can actually knock people tf out when he lands. He could stay in the pocket and trade with Chisora thanks to his power. Tubbs cant. He wont be able to make Chisora stay away either, so he’ll be trapped in the pocket with him. Dude got chinned by Butler and had issues in the rare times Smith pressured him with combos and went to the body. Chisora is gonna do a lot worse.

 

Because they are better boxers than Ngannou and have much more experience. Besides overrated inconsistent Fury who did Ngannou beat up ? Aj killed that guy and he hasn't had a single win over any top guy, journeyman did better against aj than Ngannou. Whyte has a glass chin and terrible footwork, him being a power puncher didn't get him the knockout in the first fight or keep Chisora off, and he needed another 11 rounds to floor Chisora for the first time. Chisora has been dropped several times, so suggesting Tubbs couldn't do anything is funny stuff

Resume > h2h all things considered. You're so obsessed with this stupid "h2h" nonesense that you've been arguing that Ngannou would clear Tubbs resume LOL

 

So giving Fury hell and losing to AJ is worse than a 14-17 and 14-21 record? Good to know. Its not just about knocking someone out, Whyte’s power prevented Chisora from just walking him down and forced him to think before he punched, Whyte could stand his ground and get the better of him in the exchanges. Tubbs can’t do that, he would put up a high guard and just back up until he was out of range again whenever Smith pressured him with combos, Chisora is gonna do that the whole match. Also Whyte doesnt have a glass chin, at least not in his prime.

You are entering into h2h arguments then somehow turn it into a resume discussion each time, like I said, you don’t know boxing enough to argue h2h, stick to resumes.

 

Whytes power didn't prevent Chisora from doing anything beyond the final round of the second fight, he went at him all night. Whyte is slow, has a weak chin just as you claim Tubbs does, barely throw combinations unless he's putting punches together off his counters. "Tubbs cant do that" Tubbs is a better counter puncher, faster than Whyte, punches from more angles, throws as many or more punches when forced in an exchange and has a good jab. Pulev dominated Chisora with nothing but the jab in his prime. Bowe is levels above Chisora, arguably even better on the front foot, probably hits harder and Tubbs could handle him. On their best night Tubbs beats the crap out of Chisora

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H2h is head to head hypothetical fight predictions based on perceived attributes nothing more. It's all HYPOTHETICAL, just like how i think the fight goes. Resume is the real deal. Ngannou hadn't had a pro fight and did worse than Eric Molina against aj h2h since you want to talk about h2h performances.

 

No, in both Whyte fights Chisora was visibly more timid than usual. He wasn’t lunging forward with big overhand rights and throwing combos on the inside, he was using his jab more, walking forward with a high guard and was throwing measured singular shots to not give Whyte much chances to counter. You could tell that Chisora was getting hurt whenever Whyte got him with an uppercut or a left hook. Tubbs can’t hurt Chisora. He won’t be able to stop Chisora from throwing his big right hand or throwing long combinations on the inside. Pulev was 6’4 250 lbs who fought at a longer range than tubbs with more movement, he could clinch Chisora up close then just jab him at range, Tubbs won’t do either, he couldn’t even jab James Smith up at range. And Bowe wasn’t as aggressive as Chisora which is why the fight went down like that, he tried to fight technical, Chisora would just bully Tubbs.

Ok then don’t debate h2h with people. Its that simple. You cant enter a h2h debate then say “well resume is what matters” no it doesnt, it didnt matter one bit when Douglas manhandled Tyson and Ali slapped around Foreman.