If Jones had a glass jaw he wouldn't have been able to take bomb right hands from ruiz, he would've got KO'D in the first fight with Tarver as Tarver landed some big shots on him in a number of rounds, Glen Johnson would've KO'd him in the beginning of the fight but it took him 9 rounds of landing shots cleanly on a old Jones to do. If he had a glass chin the first time he ever got KD as a professional by Puerto Rico's Lou Del Valle, which btw was a vicious punch (I saw it ), he would've never got back up and dominated the rest of the fight. He does not have a glass jaw, that's stupid. He had an average jaw. The second tarver fight, al I can say is he got caught from a bad angle or something. Because he took all of Tarver's shots in the first fight and wasn't rocked from what I could see. So it is strange. People act like the first fight never happened and all of a sudden his chin got exposed! He was getting hit with bombs in the first fight, which was competitive considering what Roy attempted to do, sweat off all that muscle mass.
Lewis got hit with several punches in his career that if they'd hit WALDO it would have been fight over. Pretty much every time WALDO gets tagged with a hard shot, he goes down. Lewis faced 10 x better competition over a much longer period of time and went down twice. Of course some people say Akinwande knocked Lewis down but that's sort of gone quiet lately too, cos it sort of destroys the pathetic 'never got off the canvas to win a fight' line :nut
Arrogance rears it's ugly head again. You should stick to the facts. Just make sure you look at the facts in the right context and don't place higher value on the set of facts that make your argument appear stronger. If Fighter A has been hit by weaker shots than Fighter B, gone down from said shots numerous times and been stopped more than Fighter B, he most likely has a shakier chin. Fighter B may have been stopped by single shots, but it is likely from video evidence, that those shots were harder than the shots that dropped fighter A over and over.
Couldn't have said it better, but then again it makes it a far more complicated process to consider so many abstracts to ones argument, when you wanna "win". Its so much easier to look at one side of the coin and assume the flipside is the same.
Bingo. Lewis' chin is worse than Jones' too. Jones' chin only got bad towards end of his career, then he started getting starched. Lewis got starched twice in the heart of his career, and at younger ages, than Jones.:yep
Here you go with your double standards...... You say Roy had to be in his prime because he was 34 right??? Guess how hold Hill was when Roy fought him???? 34, and you say he was WAY past his prime... didn't think about that did you idiot...:hi:
He beat Griffin 6 years AFTER Jones. And Hill was so past it, he went on to win ANOTHER title in a higher weight class. Hill wasn't way past his prime, he wasn't prime though. Even that past his prime Hill wouild have beaten Tarver. He would have beaten that version of Jones too.
He was 35 when he lost to Rahman I think....round about the same age that Jones lost to Tarver. How old was Holy when little Bert Cooper nearly sent him through the ropes?? Let's also not forget that Lewis took all Holyfields shots, and nothing. No effect whatsoever....so either Lewis's chin is better than you say, or Holy can't punch for **** :deal I won't even get into the '********* and stopped by a fat ex middleweight' either, just to be kind to you :good
He says there is no way Roy was out of his prime at age 34 because its not that old, and then says Hill is way past his prime when Hill himself was 34 when Roy fought him... seems like he is bias.
Quite apparent that he doesn't like Jones much. Fighters all age differently. Jones coming down in weight, no matter whether it was 15lbs of muscle or 25, certainly accelerated his demise. But Jones had been declining for years....just not losing.
Jones was old for his age after cutting that weight... I don't care what anyone says, that can permenantly damage a body, especially when they are already on the decline.
how come tarver never gets any credit for ktfo rjj? it's always he was shot or faded or he was affected by the weight drain.
He gets credit. Just not credit for KOing a prime Jones. He certainly was not prime and hadn't been for a couple of years. However he deserves his credit for being the first man to beat Jones in the ring. He is also the only man to ever decision Jones.
