Only one linear HW champion was not knocked down in title fights.

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Surely he must have become lineal after beating Ali? And Ali was lineal (but not undisputed) when he retired after winning the title back from Spinks.
     
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    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Baer and Bowe. Were Vitaly ever considered lineal?
     
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    By some yes. By others no.

    But by all he was considered the best HW until he retired.

    So I'm not sure it is a matters.
     
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    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was retired. How can beating him do anything? Retired is retired.
     
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    Because the actual fans of pure linearity (not Morlocks Lineage)

    State that a championship is never lost.

    For example it goes Sullivan ->Corbett ->Fitzsimmons ->Jeffries -> Johnson

    Schmelling -> Sharkey -> Carnera - > Braddock - >Louis - > Charles

    Etc.
     
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  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    By your reckoning the lineage must have ended with Jeffries then?
     
    Bokaj, Jun 24, 2020
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    My problem with the "the championship is never lost" approach is it essentially gives a champion carte blanche to do whatever he likes, go years without fighting, refuse to face deserving contenders, then come back when he wants, fight whoever he wants, and still be considered the champ. That's how you end up with lineal champs like Shannon Briggs and Mustafa Wassaja. After a certain point it gets kinda silly.

    Suppose Ali never fought Larry Holmes, but instead came back to fight Tyson in '88 at the age of 46. Using the lineal approach Ali would be the champ in that fight and Tyson couldn't be the real champ without beating him.
     
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Plus it means Lennox Lewis could announce a comeback, so then were Fury and Wlad not lineal?
     
    BitPlayerVesti, Jun 24, 2020
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    A 120-year-old zombie Gene Tunney could make a comeback and trump all their claims!
     
    Berlenbach, Jun 25, 2020
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Or even more ancient zombie Jem Mace
     
    BitPlayerVesti, Jun 25, 2020
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: you guys always **** yourselves up entirely by page five of any linear thread.
     
    McGrain, Jun 26, 2020
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    What's with this Walujew and Tschagajew?
     
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    He gets offended when people spell European fighters incorrectly.
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    It's predictable.
     
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  15. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's why I do accept retirements as a break in the lineal chain. Sometimes.
     
    sweetsci, Jun 26, 2020
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