Only two possible ways to beat Mayweather....

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  1. gatorbama

    gatorbama Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you are a fool:yep
     
  2. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    do you believe it should be "shoulder role"?
     
  3. bdman

    bdman Active Member Full Member

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    Quality comment! haha! :rofl
     
  4. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Besides hoping that he enters a fight with a shoulder injury.
     
  5. freethinker

    freethinker Member Full Member

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    Gotta love that to come up with a possible way to beat Mayweather, you need to look at moments where he was "staggered for half a second".

    I guess that's not necessary for the other welterweights if you know what I mean.
     
  6. Ring Master

    Ring Master The Originator Full Member

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    Man I remember the good ole days of ESB. Someone would join and write a 1000 word post introducing themselves and trying to show their boxing IQ. This board was ruthless, 3 pages of responses "stfu noob" :lol:
     
  7. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are wrong on a few levels.

    1. I think you got the hands mixed up. Mayweather sometimes throws a sloppy straight right low or to the body. That is what Zab (and Hatton) capitalized on. Zab with a blazing fast lead right counter hook. I don't think Pac has anywhere near Zab's "aha gotcha!" timing. Hatton, IMHO, lucked into it. Anyway, Mayweather saw it so will probably adjust. Mosley is orthodox so the lead hand is nullified by the right shoulder and throwing the rear hand gives Mayweather time to recover.

    2. You don't get the reason why the shoulder roll is effective. It isn't the position. It sucks. It is the fighters ability to READ the opponents shoulders and roll accordingly. He rolls left when the opponets left is thrown. He rolls right when the opponents right is thrown. His rear hand glove is still at his temple and able to be used. Somehow, you have decided that a person can throw a over hand right while their rear sholder is forward? Huh? So your "wonder punch" MIGHT land once. If it is thrown again it is nothing that a quick slip of the rear glove forward to "catch" the punch then right back to shoulder rolling. Get in the position and move your right hand off your temple, to your forhead palm up, then back. You moved what two inches? Punch nullified.

    The only thing that can beat or give FMJ trouble is superior physical attributes (Zab, Corely) or an insane will to win (Castillo) and those still weren't enough. We have have yet to see what Mosley brings to the table other than a stellar career.
     
  8. Boxfan1

    Boxfan1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Give me a good baseball bat and I'll beat Floyd.
     
  9. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Two other ways to beat him, be a prime Oscar De La Hoya, or a Manny Pacquiao. That's insta-win.
     
  10. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah because prime Oscar had such an easy time beating Pernell Whittaker and "prime" Pac handled boxers so well... Please. :verysad
     
  11. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You need to use it in conjunction with feints to throw Mayweather off guard, and preferably have Mayweather close to or against the ropes so he doesn't have as much of a chance to move back or lean away, but you'd be surprised by how well the overhand right can actually work. There was a good thread from earlier today where Michigan Warrior posted a couple of clips where several fighters had success feinting Mayweather, then hitting him with the overhand right.

    Around :15 in, Marquez feints a jab then hits Floyd solidly with an overhand right.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwgpGxle0T0&feature=related[/ame]


    Around :15 in Oscar backs Floyd to the ropes with some jabs and rights that are mostly blocked, then feints a left to Mayweathers body and overhand right.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSK4z6u7_E&feature=related[/ame]

    2:50 Castillo hits Floyd with two hard left hooks to the body, bends down and feints to the body again and catches Floyd with a solid overhand right
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpVJ2XfaXKY[/ame]

    There are more examples like that. I know Marquez scored with the overhand right while having Floyd along the ropes a couple of times, although it didn't do him much good. Considering the speed and strength Mosley has in his overhand right, I certainly hope that these tactics are going to be adopted by Shane.

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218555

    That's the link to thread if you want to check it out, there was some good discussion there.
     
  12. Legend2

    Legend2 Active Member Full Member

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    Thing is, being fast and being a southpaw is what troubles Mayweather the most. Pac is far superior than Clottey and Zab, two people that were able to hit Floyd clean and hard. Like I said, Floyd can and should beat Pac, the only thing that worries me is Pac's right hook.
     
  13. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    A peak SSM with his God-like speed would've been hell, for any smaller fighter.
     
  14. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you mean Corley, not Clottey.
     
  15. gatorbama

    gatorbama Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no