Opinions on Canelo/GGG 1&2

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  1. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    Many fans & pundits claim that GGG was robbed against Canelo in the first fight (some even think the same for the rematch) and won in a landslide. However, thats not how I see things. Golovkin was tentative from the start and was getting backed up as early as the 2nd (go watch it back again if you don't believe me). He never really got his attack going & only came forward when Canelo stopped punching & back peddled. Lesser fighters like Angulo, Kirkland & Smith fought more confidently against Canelo than GGG did in the 1st fight, and GGG is far superior to any of those fighters. I felt a draw was reasonable and the right result. The only problem was Adelaide Byrd's scorecard.

    He fought a lot better in the 2nd fight imo (even though he was on the back-foot the whole fight), but he took a lot more risks than he did in the 1st and let his hands go more. The only problem I had was that he didn't go to the body & backed up a bit too much. This one was closer & could have gone either. No robbery here. Neither was the first.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's two very close fights for me.

    The first one has as many 114-114 cards from ringside as i've ever seen.

    Any close card is ok by me.
     
  3. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I scored both fights as narrow decision wins for GGG. Close rounds to call and I don't begrudge anyone that had Canelo winning.
     
  4. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Both fights 8-4 to Golovkin.

    In the first fight Canelo boxed well off the backfoot and landed some good counters. However Golovkin outworked him, pushed him back and controlled him with the jab.

    In the second fight Canelo tried to do the same thing to Golovkin who took the opportunity to land some great counters himself and imho not only landed the harder shots but also had Canelo genuinely hurt at one point. Again GGG outworked ginger. I felt the second fight was the better, more action packed one.

    There is a lot of bias in Canelo's favour with regards to these two fights. Vegas is seen as ginger's "hometown" and the decisions he gets there are nearly always unreasonably skewed towards him. Golovkin was aware of this which is why he even offered to fight Canelo at the Azteca Stadium in Mexico because he felt he'd get a fairer shake there. Says a lot imho.

    For example, there was the whole "story of the fight" bull**** pushed where he was talked up by the commentary team just because he didn't run like the first fight. Basically people gave Canelo extra points just for standing his ground. In the first fight he was talked up for "ring generalship" where he walked Golovkin into counters and on occasion made him miss wildly. OK. In the second fight Golovkin returned the favour, landed some thunderous shots and made Canelo miss wildly ... and all of a sudden there's no talk of "ring generalship" and "defence" but only of how Canelo stood his ground :confundio1: Like, really?

    It's beyond obvious that the "money" fighter will win fights where he's still conscious and standing in his hometown, and that's what happened here.
     
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  5. BoxingDialogue

    BoxingDialogue Active Member Full Member

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    Thought the first fight was a draw the 2nd I’ve yet to score.
     
  6. crixus85

    crixus85 Active Member Full Member

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    8 - 4 for GGG, both times.
     
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    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dito.
     
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  9. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    7-4-1 in the first fight for GGG

    I scored the rematch even.
     
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  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    The vast major of ring cards say GGG won the first fight.

    There are more GGG 116-112, and 115-113, then total draws and the Canelo crds are very few.

    GGG out landed Canelo in 10 of 12 rounds.


    A few sample score cards

    Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin
    Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw
    Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw
    Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin
    Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin
    Sports Illustrated: 114-114 draw
    Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin
    Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw
    *******: 114-114 draw
    Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin
    Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw
    The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin
    Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin
    The Associated Press: 114-114 draw
    Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw
    Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin
    Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin
    George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw
    Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin
    Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw
    Sherdog . com: 116-112 Golovkin
    Jai Bednall (news . com . au): 115-113 Golovkin
    Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw
    Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin
    Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin
    Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin
    Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin
    Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin
    World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    12 people from your list scored the fight 114-114.

    That's 12/29 cards. A phenomenally high number, extraordinary. It is abnormal to see so many drawn cards.
     
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  12. blackfella96

    blackfella96 Active Member Full Member

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    I had GGG winning the 1st fight by 2 rounds.
    For the 2nd fight I had Canelo winning, but around 2 rounds.
     
  13. FrankinDallas

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    Abnormal is normal in Las Vegas, especially boxing. Especially in a Canelo fight.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You think the press row had been bribed somehow?
     
  15. FrankinDallas

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    Yeah, all of them. I saw cash being handed out by the bushel. It's on the video.


    Only kidding about the press row, but did you think Adelaide Byrd's 118-110 card was clean of all guilt, or was she (is she) simply incompetent.

    I had GGG winning the first fight 7-5; the second was a draw to me but I'd have no problem with Canelo winning by a round.
     
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