Ortiz v Mayweather in September?

Pacquiao is not the champion at 147. I agree he is the no.1 fighter at the weight right now even if you include Floyd but he is not champion.

Pacquiao at 147

DeLa Hoya - coming of a loss to Mayweather
Cotto - coming of a loss to Margorito
Clottey - coming of a loss to Cotto
Margorito - coming of a loss to Mosley
Mosley - coming of a loss to Mayweather

 

at you for thinking that being a 'champ' has any relevance in this discussion. That 'champ' would have his ass ripped into two by that someone who was dominated by Floyd a year ago. That 'champ' is as about as threatening as a frozen chicken in a freezer, to the likes of Floyd and Pac.

 

of course it has relevance as it makes ortiz the only legitimate opponent at 147.

 

How was Shane Mosley not legit?

 

margarito was at 150. cotto was at 145.

the fact is, you have to beat the lineal champ to become the lineal champ. if you look back, baldomir was the lineal champ when floyd beat him... making floyd the lineal champ.

after floyd retired after beating hatton, margarito vs cotto was considered as the fight that determined the lineal champ at 147. margarito won and then lost the lineal title to mosley, who lost that title to.... floyd.

ortiz has established himself as better than berto at 147 plus he has a title. i would have him beating mosley at 147. he is a very good opponent for floyd and the only option at 147. if you disagree, suggest an alternative.

 

No. The only legitimate opponent at 147, is an Asian midget by the name of Manny Pacquiao. Ortiz is a green, inexperienced young fighter with too many flaws in his game to make it a competitive fight.

(....here comes the drug-testing nonsense)

 

ortiz is considered as number 3 in the division behind pac and floyd.

floyd has always said he will fight pacquiao if he agrees to testing all the way to the fight. pac won't agree so he is fighting the next best fighter. if he doesn't fight ortiz, i will be first in line to criticise him. it's that simple

ortiz is a much better opponent than mosley

 

Ive been a stout supporter and even at time defender of Mayweather but this 'who's the champ' talk is actually irrelevent when talking about Floyd Mayweather. Check that classic Brian Kenny interview 'A belt dont make me, A belt dont make me'; he fights for money and to use a pretty annoying american phrase- PERIOD.

This is a guy who didnt wanna pay the crazy WBC sanctioning fees and therefore proved money > belt in the world of Mayweather. I happened to think that was the right call, belts mean very little at most levels let alone the elite.

I recall on the Mayweather-Mosely 24/7 he mocked Mosely for saying Floyd only fought for money (something along the lines of 'Of course I fight for money, im a prizefighter dummy!') and insisted he didnt worry about his legacy. All this points to a man who wants to fight the opponent who pays the most amount of $ with the least amount of risk. Taking just this concept into consideration, Ortiz a popular come forward fighter of latin heritage will make $ sense to Floyd Mayweather. He'll have a chance early doors but stylistically Floyd can pick this guy apart, Berto/Maidana are very crude and were able to find the target alot.

Nothing to do with Ortiz or Pac holding a belt its what boxing is about all too often. Making the most cash for little danger. That for me is why the Floyd-Manny fights not happened yet, he's waiting for Pac to get old/show signs of weakness or deterioration before he makes his move and however many million he'd make from it

 

Additionally - Mayweather is the one with the point to prove.

We can argue as much as we like about belts, lineage and so on.... but Pacquiao has soundly whipped two guys who Mayweather didn't want to fight, and did a better job than he did on two common foes.

Floyd has been out for over a year now and has done absolutely nothing. I fail to see why all of a sudden he becomes the man just because there's rumours about him fighting again.

Surely going on past experience people ought to take his word like they would on a stolen car?

Edit.....

Lirva - Mayweather isn't even ranked due to his inactivity.

Ortiz only became the next best fighter long after the Shane fight was signed.

These *****s get on my ****ing nerves. The world doesn't revolve around your hero.

 

i agree. however pac vs floyd will never happen unless pac agrees to full testing all the way to the fight.

one thing is sure, mosley will almost certainly be juicing for the pac fight since there is no testing. he did it before. all he needs is one big right hand to end any discussion of pac vs floyd.

 

Whilst absolutely true but in the mind of Floyd he doesnt have to prove anything. Dont forget this is a guy who rates himself ABOVE the Sugar Rays, Ali etc If he thought he had to prove anything the Pac fight would have happened already

 

common foes? beating cotto and margarito? you think cotto or margarito could beat floyd lol. cotto is too methodical and would give floyd too much time. margarito would get baldomir treatment. common foes? leftovers you mean? now pac is fighting another leftover who floyd dominated.

i take it you would be picking pac to beat floyd if they fought, since floyd is clearly afraid to fight him in your opinion.

the funny thing is, the majority of people accusing floyd of ducking pac will say that they think floyd would win the fight when you ask them.

 

thats the mentality that made him get to where he is today

 

Undoubtably taleted, rich (until the legal costs and next tax bill comes in...) but unpopular.

Its the biggest fight out there so I get why it happens but I'd love to see a thread about Manny or Floyd discussed where it just sticks to topic. I wouldnt mind Oritz-Mayweather with a good undercard, Victor might even drop him early but once Floyd gets into the usual pot-shot counter at will mode it'll be the same UD story and Pac-talk with Kellerman as usual. Too quick, too smart and Victors heart was impressive in the Berto fight but lets me honest he was winning! He wont fancy it so much when he's reduced to chasing Mayweather

 

Margorito vs Cotto was not for the lineal title. AM had lost to Paul Williams, who lost to Quintana but then beat him in a rematch before Marg vs Cotto