Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Kamikaze, Apr 25, 2021.
Who do you rank higher?
Hey is it true you are "The Morlocks"?
Return to us oh benevolent worshiper of Duran.
They were same size really, so I don't even have to concern myself with the "p4p" conundrum.
I give Langford the edge at 165 pounds.
It's a toss-up for me. I could go either way on any given day. They are numbers 1 and 2 for me.
Today I say Sam.
Greb for me.
Looking through their records I think Greb was a more consistent fighter. Generally you had to be a top shelf fighter to get the W over Greb. Sam had some losses to dubious fighters that may indicate a degree of inconsistency when compared to Greb.
Others may not feel that that is as big a deal as it is to me.
P4P as in all time.
In fairness from 1907 to 1916, a 9 year period
A 1910 NWS loss to Flynn, which he avenged the next month.
A 1911 loss to Sam McVea, who he beat the next year 4 times
A 1913 loss to Gunboat Smith, which he avenged the next year
A 1914 NWS loss to Jeff Clark
1915 losses to Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea, and a NWS loss to Harry Wills
1916 3 losses to Harry Wills
The only one that wasn't to top class a fighter was the loss to Fireman Flynn, and he beat all of them at some point, which is pretty extradonary, and in this period he went 85-10-17.
For what it's worth I pick Greb too, though I won't die on that hill.
They are essentially my top two pound for pound of all time.
I tend to come down on the side of Langford, because he clobbered legit ATGs in their primes, from lightweight to heavyweight, often while well outside his own prime.
I have no problem with anybody picking Greb.
If Greb had never been born, then Mickey Walker might have been a consensus to three!
Each of them have impressive resumes. Each are the subject of legends. Where I separate the two is how they would match up head to head in a fight. I personally would favor Langford over Greb. For one thing, they share at least three common opponents, two of them Langford defeated while Greb lost and struggled with both-Kid Norfolk and Tiger Flowers. Although Greb has a win over Flowers in their first fight, most of the press and fans in attendance felt Flowers was robbed.
I don’t think Greb’s dirty tactics and clinching would be enough to win against Langford who was a superior boxer-puncher.
Perfect breakdown, well thought out buddy, I was leaning towards Greb, but not now. keep well.