P4P Greb or Langford?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Kamikaze, Apr 25, 2021.

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  1. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Being happy means having less. Full Member

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    Who do you rank higher?
     
  2. Indefatigable

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  3. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Being happy means having less. Full Member

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    Hey is it true you are "The Morlocks"?
    Return to us oh benevolent worshiper of Duran.
     
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  4. Indefatigable

    Indefatigable Active Member Full Member

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    No.
     
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They were same size really, so I don't even have to concern myself with the "p4p" conundrum.
    I give Langford the edge at 165 pounds.
     
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  6. Seamus

    Seamus Devotee of the Little Red Book Full Member

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    It's a toss-up for me. I could go either way on any given day. They are numbers 1 and 2 for me.

    Today I say Sam.
     
  7. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Greb for me.

    Looking through their records I think Greb was a more consistent fighter. Generally you had to be a top shelf fighter to get the W over Greb. Sam had some losses to dubious fighters that may indicate a degree of inconsistency when compared to Greb.

    Others may not feel that that is as big a deal as it is to me.
     
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  8. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Being happy means having less. Full Member

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    P4P as in all time.
     
  9. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

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    In fairness from 1907 to 1916, a 9 year period

    He had
    A 1910 NWS loss to Flynn, which he avenged the next month.
    A 1911 loss to Sam McVea, who he beat the next year 4 times
    A 1913 loss to Gunboat Smith, which he avenged the next year
    A 1914 NWS loss to Jeff Clark
    1915 losses to Joe Jeannette and Sam McVea, and a NWS loss to Harry Wills
    1916 3 losses to Harry Wills

    The only one that wasn't to top class a fighter was the loss to Fireman Flynn, and he beat all of them at some point, which is pretty extradonary, and in this period he went 85-10-17.

    For what it's worth I pick Greb too, though I won't die on that hill.
     
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  10. louis54

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  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Langford.
     
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  12. janitor

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    They are essentially my top two pound for pound of all time.

    I tend to come down on the side of Langford, because he clobbered legit ATGs in their primes, from lightweight to heavyweight, often while well outside his own prime.

    I have no problem with anybody picking Greb.

    If Greb had never been born, then Mickey Walker might have been a consensus to three!
     
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  14. Boxing GOAT

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    Each of them have impressive resumes. Each are the subject of legends. Where I separate the two is how they would match up head to head in a fight. I personally would favor Langford over Greb. For one thing, they share at least three common opponents, two of them Langford defeated while Greb lost and struggled with both-Kid Norfolk and Tiger Flowers. Although Greb has a win over Flowers in their first fight, most of the press and fans in attendance felt Flowers was robbed.

    I don’t think Greb’s dirty tactics and clinching would be enough to win against Langford who was a superior boxer-puncher.
     
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  15. Mike Cannon

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    Perfect breakdown, well thought out buddy, I was leaning towards Greb, but not now. keep well.
     
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