pac fans putting spin on bradley/marquez?

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Using that logic yet for years people claimed JMM won his fights with Pac, when the fight was MUCH closer than Pac-Bradley ever was. I mean 1 out of 120 experts scored it for Bradley, it doesn't get more 1 sided than that.
     
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  2. Villain

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    If you scored Bradley/Pac a draw, it's YOU that DKSAB. That fight was as easy to score as they come.
     
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  3. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    clean punching
    ring generalship
    effective aggression
    defense

    ever hear of this?

    there were plenty of rounds where pac did nothing for 2 to 2 and half minutes. he would attack the last 30 seconds and didn't always get the best of bradley in that short period.
     
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  4. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    show me on box rec where it says pacquiao won that fight.

    show me on fightfax where it says pacquiao won that fight.

    show me the video where they raised pacquaio's hand in victory against bradley.

    it doesn't matter what either of us say....pac lost that fight.
     
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  5. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    this thread isn't about who had the greater career. it's about fans putting a spin on the marquez loss. the front page of this site has an article that suggested pac was a better fighter because he clearly beat bradley and bradley clearly beat marquez. that is pure nonsense.

    history cannot be erased. just like i cannot erase the 3 knockdowns scored by pac in the first fight....i can't erase the fact that marquez knocked pacquiao out cold in their last bout. even though i scored bouts 2 and 3 for marquez....the record books show wins for pac. no one can dispute any of what has happened. bradley beating marquez doesn't change any of that. maybe the ppl that hate marquez for knocking out their hero feel a little better because bradley beat him....but marquez still ko'd pac. that can't be undone.
     
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  6. VX.Nefarious

    VX.Nefarious Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lets just settle this,

    Most experts agree Pacquiao beat Bradley, ok Pac gets the W
    Most experts agree Marquez beat Pacquiao on their Second and Third fight, Marquez gets the two W's

    Marquez 3 W's 1 Draw vs Pac.


    hah!
     
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  7. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    emanuel steward at the end of the fight said, "that was as close as you could get without there being any knockdowns." so i guess he didn't know **** about boxing either?
     
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  8. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    :lol:

    if it were that easy. unfortunately...hbo, jim lampley, harold lederman and compubox are all using groupthink to control the public. apparently that **** works.
     
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  9. VX.Nefarious

    VX.Nefarious Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course it works, the media has hired experts in human psychology, the media knows the people better than the people knows themselves. :bart, People got conditioned to never use critical thinking, just pick one team/person and root for him, be biased, pathetic how whole nations follow a fighter simply because he was born in the same piece of land as they did, and that some how makes them feel proud, as if they had anything to do with the fighters accomplishments. shiiiiieeet:patsch Just look up Project MKUltra. They got it.
     
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  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How do you measure who is the better fighter though? To me, its how dominant he is amongst all opponents.

    JMM has struggled with much lesser fighters, and IMO has only looked great against Pac. I cant see Pac struggling with the likes of Katsidis and Juan Diaz, yep great action fight but we see what pac did with come forward fighters like that in Margarito, Diaz and Hatton, all of whom would have destroyed the 2 IMO. He also dominated MAB and beat Bradley easy, where many had MAB beating JMM and obviously Bradley clearly beat JMM.

    JMM obviously is a great fighter, but to me its obvious, he is the perfect foil for Pac. His best performances has come in the 4 Pac fights. Outside of those 4 fights, he's looked good in some fights but none spectacular.

    I havent read the article, but ye, I do think Pac is a better fighter overall than JMM, but H2H it's obvious JMM gives him hell at any weight, probably at any period.

    Like I referenced earlier, Ken Norton arguably beat Ali 3 times, is he the better fighter? Styles makes fights.
     
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  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He also said he was dumbfounded as to how the judges scored it for Bradley...?

    skip to 1.04:

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  12. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why the hell is Pac suddenly getting dragged into this?
    There are irrefutable FACTS about Pac vs Bradley and Bradley vs Marquez:

    1. Pac outclassed Bradley. We don't care about idiots who has it at a draw or worse, a Bradley win. I'd take JMM's IQ and credibility over some amateur any day all day. And he had Pac up by 5 points. Watch Golpe a golpe and see the genius for yourselves. Only a handful of *****s thought Bradley won ALL OVER THE WORLD.

    2. Marquez was outclassed. JMM appeared old and sloppy and just frustrated. Only a handful of Juantards taught he won.

    3. Pac accepted the defeat like a man and did not say a thing about ANYBODY.

    4. Marquez sourgraped to retirement.
     
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  13. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley."

    "Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw."

    And this is for the 3rd fight, the supposed robbery. Do you see the difference?
     
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  14. Holy Grail

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    Here's Boxrec. Let me know if this is convincing enough for you or if you're just the boxing expert no one can deny. Have you thought about getting a job as a judge because surely everyone below is wrong right?

    Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
    Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
    Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Terry Dooley, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Jordan Capobianco, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Bunce, BoxNation.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Juan Manuel Marquez: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Max Kellerman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
    George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
    CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    ********************: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Amir Khan, Primetime: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Rob Day, ***************: 117-112 Pacquiao
    Ryan Burton, ***********.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
    Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Chris Robinson, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ronnie Shields, boxing trainer: 117-111 Pacquiao
    David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    David Greisman, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Graham Parker, The Guardian (UK): 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Luis Sandoval, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
    FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tommy Gunn, *****************: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
    John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
    John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian (UK): 118-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Lillis, BoxNation: 118-111 Pacquiao
    Nick Xouris, FightHype.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
    Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Danny "Swift" Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Mike Koppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
    John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
    John Russell, boxing trainer (Buster Douglas trainer): 118-110 Pacquiao
    Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Nigel Collins, Espn.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Phil Jay, *****.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
    Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
    Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
    Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.
     
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  15. Florez

    Florez Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw."

    but Pacquiao vs Bradley... now that's a Robbery!


    "Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley."
     
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