Pac/floyd in jeopardy! Pac refuses drug test!!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by perfect jet, Dec 22, 2009.


  1. PorkChopExpress

    PorkChopExpress Champion of the Universe Full Member

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    The request for the fight to be conducted under Olympic style testing suggests that current testing regulations are not good enough... doesn't this hit a nerve with every organisation involved in the sport's testing???

    Why aren't fans and athletes alike demanding this level of testing anyway? Especially at this level of the sport?

    Why isn't the sport utilising the best if it's currently not? And why aren't the people responsible for the current system jumping to it's defence in light of what's being claimed and stating that their style of testing is just as good and proven for the last how ever long they've been using it??? (I know, not any form of testing is perfect)

    Personally I still think it's all bs and the fight will come off.

    I'm sided with Pac though, purely because Mayweather isn't in charge of boxing and calling shots outside regulation is asking too much - he is happy to weigh much more than an opponent for a price (how ever many millions he had to pay it was never going to help Marquez win the fight) - regardless of the penalty, it's still unfair. That said, Pac seems to be withholding from agreement based on principle more than anything and his principles don't seem to be able to be bought for $40m... good for him. Bad for boxing.

    Yeah, there may be insider whispers that Pac has been doing something. To be honest I'm a little jaded when it comes to what athletes are up to behind closed doors and wouldn't be surprised if there was a general consensus among them that says some level of what's involved in getting bigger, stronger, quicker and generally better through unnatural means is okay... not just in boxing and I think playing like it's not happening is a bit ignorant (please tell me if I'm wrong here).

    It's not the best fight out there, but certainly the biggest. There is too much money in the bank to lose if it doesn't happen - someone will work it out.
     
  2. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Pac asking Cotto to defend his belt at 145 pounds when he won it at 147 is within regulations?

    Floyd is asking for BOTH fighters to use the best drug testing procedures available.

    Pac was asking ONE fighter to defend the belt he won 2 pounds under the limit.

    So which one is worse for boxing?

    If Pac is doing this on principle alone...he couldn't have done a worse job if he tried. He should have just told Floyd to f**k off and left it at that. Instead he gave a bunch of pitiful excuses on why he couldn't adhere to random blood testing. Sounds more like a guy not wanting to be tested than someone acting on principle.
     
  3. Contendo

    Contendo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As everyone knows I'm a huge Pac fan, but Jet's just hit this right on the head!
     
  4. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And to be fair Contendo, Floyds demand for random testing isn't about drug testing reform or doing it for the integrity of the sport. He's doing it for himself simply because he thinks he is up against a guy who may be using ped's. Nothing more than that and the media coverage is only going to drive up sales if/when they do fight.

    But even still, it might lead to better testing in the future. And maybe guys will be caught BEFORE the fight, instead of after. What fighter has ever been caught before he steps in the ring? Floyds demands have high lighted how useless the current procedures are.

    So their are positive spin offs to it all. But it is boxing...you and I know it's not a sport known for tight controls and effectibe regulation. Random blood testing is very expensive...boxing is about making money, not spending it, so maybe it's all wishful thinking???
     
  5. Contendo

    Contendo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Would you be inferring Jet that boxing is conducted by less then honest people? A sport where you can also use illegal hand wraps and only get 12 months suspension?

    JOKE!

    Fines / punishment handed down in the past has been pathetic, compared to the rewards on offer to put it politely, and the sport will never truely be clean as overall, the sport relies on boxers going to the limit, hence the overiding outcome will always win.

    Money rules in boxing over and above any other sport in the world...
     
  6. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good

    Who missed Margarito's handwraps? oh that's right NSAC....the same commission the anti-Floyd crowd trust to handle the drug testing. It took the opposing trainer to detect them. NSAC can't check a hand wrap but can be expected to detect ped's with their one sample of urine protocol. :lol:

    I'd bet big money that the vast majority of fighters aren't even tested at all. If they do provide a urine sample it is flushed down the toilet. I'm not sure why I feel that way :huh :huh :lol:
     
  7. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Sorry jet, but I don't think it's a simple case of that at all - it all started with Floyd snr's post-Cotto fight interview where he cast aspersions as to Manny's ability to climb up in weight and smash Cotto like he did. Floyd jnr ran with it once Paul Malignaggi came out and said Manny was on 'roids and it snowballed from there. I personally think it's more of a mudslinging campaign than a genuine concern on the part of Floyd jnr.
     
  8. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. He and his team have obviously been suspicious of Pac for a while. But my point was that Floyd isn't going to chair a forum where the topic is drug testing and boxing reform.

    edit: I misread your post. So you think Floyd doesn't have his own concerns about Pac?...Floyd may not be the brightest spark but he wouldn't let the rants of his crazy father and Paulie Malignaggi stop him from earning $30- 40 million. I'm sure of that.
     
  9. jsalerno

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    i havnt read all the 9 pages of posts but i think its simple as this - if pacquiao had nothing to worry about - i mean besides the obvious farce excuses he is giving - he should have no reason not to submit to the tests.

    there comes a time people where we look at this and just have to see it for what it simply is - everyone knows why he's not submitting to it and whether it was appropriate for floyd to make allegations that the Philippines are known for their performance enhancing drugs, the fact is its true.
     
  10. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AND THIS!!! PROBABLY THE MOST DAMNING PIECE OF INFORMATION RE: PAC YET!!!

    It's from well known and respected writer Tim Smith in the US.

    "This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye."

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...009-12-25_a_test_of_ethics.html#ixzz0bD7bdzR0
     
  11. the beaver

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    Faaark me drunk this gets more interesting by the day.
     
  12. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's going to court fellas.


    Pac has hired one of OJ Simpsons senior attorneys to represent him:


    "We filed a defamation of character lawsuit in the federal court in Las Vegas, Nevada, against the Mayweathers, Oscar De La Hoya and Richard Schaefer based on their false and defamatory statements about Manny Pacquiao -- specifically their publicly stating that Pacquiao was taking steroids or other illegal steroids or other illegal drugs to enhance his performance, knowing that there is absolutely no basis for any such assertions," said Petrocelli.

    "We may be naming others as well, and may be adding others who have made comments since the lawsuit was filed. These guys have no right saying what they're saying. It's knowingly false, highly injurious," said Petrocelli. "Manny has an absolutely unblemished reputation, and accomplished extraordinary achievements through hard work and preparation," said Petrocelli, " and he can't sit by and allow people to accuse him of cheating because they can't beat him in the ring."
     
  13. LeonMcS

    LeonMcS The Mayor of Kronkton Full Member

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    Whooah whoooah, hang on a minute.

    Is this the same Tim Smith that did the post fight "interviews" after Tszyu-Judah?

    Watching him holding back tears as he tried to trip up ref Nady while exposing himself as the biggest dip**** around was more enjoyable to me than the chicken dance.

    "Is there a rule...sniff...that says a fight must be stopped...boohoo...when a fighter goes down twice from one punch...sob"

    He must've improved out of sight Jet.
     
  14. perfect jet

    perfect jet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well he's been covering boxing for a long time. Agenda's? maybe, most jorno's have them.

    It's hard to believe that he'd write something as volatile as that if he didn't have a trusted source. Most "good" journo's do have people very close to different camps or insiders who feed them info. With Arum flying off defamation claims over the past week or so, Smith would be a little silly to write that and not think his arse wouldn't end up in court too.

    Maybe Timmy will end up in court after that? I want to be in the gallery when Floyd snr takes the stand .:lol:
     
  15. stiflers mum

    stiflers mum Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** it.i havent looked forward too a fight so much since Kessler-Calzaghe and Green-Hopkins is off too.****ing Teke has something to do with this.:deal
    happy new year forumites:good