Pac: "I Underestimated Marquez"

Brilliant rebuttal :good

 

:huh They've fought to a virtually a dead heat after three fights. How is that having his number? Because he's neck and neck, that means he has his number?

DLH and SHane Mosley fought two very close fights. Who has who's number there? Same w/ Taylor and Hopkins? Does Joe C have Hopkins's number?

Do people even understand what it means to have one's number? atsch

 

I'm wasting my time trying to see eye to eye with you on this, but I'll give it a go anyways.

From an athletic viewpoint, Pacquaio obliterates Marquez; that's pretty much beyond doubt.

The reason that their fights are so competitive is because Marquez has a style suited to Pacquaio's, I'll stay out of the technical details if that's okay with you.

Marquez's style vs Pacquaio's athletic talent (Speed, power, etc)

If Marquez was as quick and powerful as Pacquaio, who do you think would win?

Stylistically, Marquez has Pacs number, yet Pacquaio being the far superior athlete to Marquez and not unskilled himself, brings himself up to a level playing field.

I'm not sure if I'm articulating this right but I can't really be bothered to sit and debate with someone who dismisses anything not on his level of thought and resorts to insults. Not tonight anyway.

 

All the physical attributes you talk about, actually mean nothing in terms of having another fighter's number.

Pac being more athletic, mean nothing in terms of one guy having the other's number.

If JMM was as quick and powerful as Pac, he'd be a totally different fighter then what he is. That really doesn't have anything to do with having another fighter's number either.

Athletics mean jack **** in terms of having another fighters number, and that's what you seem to be starting and basing your opinion on. Therein lies the fallacy to your theory.

You say their fights are close because JMM has a style suited to Pac. Is that any different from saying Pac has a style suited for JMM? Regardless, BOTH of those are incorrect because what they produce are fights virtually even. How can anyone have the others number when they've come up with three very close fights?

Having a number means you got the guy. Neither has the other.
Having a number means you and your style beats the greater fighter 10 out of 10 times.

I definitely see what you are trying to say, but bringing up athletics into this just gives you the wrong idea.

I don't care if you don't see eye to eye w/ me. I wonder if you even understand what your eye even sees here.

 

he underslept when Ariza told him to go to bed..

 

Pac should know better. Small guys handle his speed better, while he's able to overwhelm the much bigger guys

 

You're correct . I wouldn't say JMM has Pac's number but he's pretty close to it.

Basically both of their styles are made for eachother. It's not just pacquiao's athletcism that makes these fights close, its' his skill and ability, as well as his habits. JMM and Pacquiao are both great combinations punchers and their styles and mentality clash against one another. That's why it's always a back and forth affair with them. It'll always be that way.

 

I don't think PAC wasn't in PEAK physical condition... but in terms of approaching JMM in 2012 with a fresh game plan or formulated strategic approach they did not. They were prepared to dominate and went through the motion of working harder and not smarter. JMM will always give PAC problems but I don't think they approached the rubber match with JMM with the right tactics.

 

They are just two well matched guys. Pac always seems to have an edge, but JMM never lets him off easy.

IMHO the devil was in the footwork. Pac seemed to leave JMM in a position to be able to counter. I was also amazed at how reliably JMM countered. He almost "aggressively" countered in that EVERY time Pac threw JMM made sure he was answering. It was so reliable it was almost not even countering.

 

:rofl:rofl I have a feeling Buboy is going to be coping some blame for not giving Pacquaio his lucky mug that morning or some **** next.

 

Footwork was the key you're right, foot placement is the most under-rated tactic when an orthodox fighter boxes a southpaw opponent.

Another crucial factor is Marquez' ability to feint Pacquaio into positions

 

Yeah. What clued me in was how out of position and ineffective JMM looked against FMJ. Pac was doing things right in many departments though. I felt he gave JMM a little too much respect, but Pac was handling his business. JMM became a little less macho and more tactical. Like you said, setting traps and picking spots. Elevating that matchup.

That was a GREAT fight. I can't really fault either man for it. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

 

you're not the only one

I like boxers and BOXER-punchers.