Pac ..seven weight classes is very strange

I dont think you can really compare the two. Most of Manny weight resides in the lower half of his body.

Mayweather's legs arent that big . they are a little thin. Pac's fist are much bigger than Mayweathers , as Mayweather has skinny slender hands . The puncher pwer is different because Manny generates power through strong legs , and distributes that power with stong bulky fist.

MAyweather is least likely to push forward and hurt his opponents because he does not have the body to do it. He doesnt generate the torque.


Even if you imagine Mike Tyson. Mike only really came into most fight under 220 lbs. He would fight people bigger and stronger too. He was outweighed , but he had the pwer generated to hurt his opponents.

I dont think Pac needs any help perfroming.

I can see growth hormones, maybe.


But I just dont know. I mean . I was like 135 lbs at 11 years old. Muscular physique and played american football.

Can it really be that hard to gain weight and continue to be a punch your face in type fighter? I doubt it.


I never considered Mayweather a power puncher. I dont think in any way you can take the puche out of someone just because they gain weight.

I can see if he was coming in at 160.

He can barely make it to 147


Pac does not have to be fast at his standards @ 135

He just has to be faster than people at 147

Anyone moving up should still keep a spped advantage over a bigger , bulkier divsion.

Its not like Pac is making poeple crumble with one punch. he is punching their faces . Repeatedly.

 

If you look at Pacs welter fights, its not like his strength has increased, yeah he knocked Cotto down twice but Cotto got caught being reckless. His best attributes are his amazing footwork and speed. These 2 combinations with a moderate amount of power are deadly. Look at floyd he has phenomal speed and footwork without the power and look how well he does. His moving up in weight is perfectly natural, hell everyone who has fought him has said it was his speed with accumaltion of punches not his power that really bothered him. When you get hit 3 or 4 times with a moderate amount of power is more disconcerting than getting hit once real strong like. Just admit it folks we are in history right now watching pacman fight, stop hating and just enjoy it man.

 

Through your analysis and opinion, you leave out that when a fighter thats outweighed is punching at a bigger fighter, he's more apt to tire punching at the bigger mass.

Pac threw alot of power at both Cotto and Clottey......there was'nt any signs what so ever of him tiring.

History has shown us that fighters who fight at much lower weights and then climb several divisions, their stamina and output diminishes.......Pac has been nowhere near.

Stamina and workrate do not increase for a fighter the older you get, especially past the age of 30......

I'f I'm not mistaken, Jim Lampley mentioned that Pac's punch output was his best ever vs Clottey.atsch.....and against the biggest fighter he's ever faced.

That to me was'nt suprising, what was suprising was that Pac was fresher at the end than Clottey, and Clottey was'nt even punching much.

.....the list goes on and on.....on what there is to be suspicious....
.....and it does'nt end there.....if that was'nt enough, you just look at the reasons Pac gives for not wanting to go through the testing proposed.....and he just looks like someoone who has been caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

Everything about Pac just does'nt add up, from his weight climbs to his poor embarassing excuses.
They just smell of fowlness.

 

All Olympians - Most at weights lighter than they turned pro.

Manny didn't have an amatuer career - He came up on the street and grew into his current weight division through hard work. He didn't even weigh 147 for Clottey!

 

The only logical conclusion is that he is cheating. If he is going to be tested they should do it twice a day. Traces of tinola vanish within 12 hours so Floyd should also ask for random stool testing up to the day of the fight.

 

Anyone who became a human punching bag for 12 straight rounds won't feel fresh either.

Clottey probably just wanted to rest his abused body and hands after that fight.:yep

 

I'm not saying Pac did'nt land some good shots....but lets get real here Morrissey.....most of the shots landing on Clottey were on arms and shouders.....

....and none of the shots whether clean or otherwise were moving Clottey......thats attributed to the mass difference between the two.

......and through all of this, Clottey was stepping foward and applying constant pressure at an punching Pacquiao.

......sorry pal, but those factors weigh on getting fatigued, and Pac showed no signs late in the fight that he had been an active punching fighter......no signs what so ever.

 

he s just a freak athlete.

i liken him to lebron james. people thought that an increase in muscle mass resulted in a increase in power- but a decrease in speed, explosiveness and stamina. that was the thinking for all sports- and in basketball- ballers struck a balance between speed, power, and stamina/activity. But then sporting nutrition and training methods have improved- and now that stuff is all old hat, but what i think is- that those rules still apply to a certain extent. but that every now and then- you get an athlete whom defies logic- who is simply gifted.

lebron james is such an athlete. he s faster, stronger, but also bigger than players of his position- and height. he is a heavyweight in a middleweights body so to speak-

why cant pacquiao also have those same gifts?? nobody acuses lebron of cheating? why is that? hs big, fast, and his body is crazy. but people accept him as an honest athlete. why dont they acuse him?

i know what i think- but i ll keep it to myself.

 

Logic is not your strong suit.

 

That 1200+ punch count's kinda deceiving.

Most of those werent really stamina draining power shots.

A lot of them were pitty pat punches to make Clottey automatically close his guard as MP is about to go for a quick inside foray.

Or sometimes, they were almost slappy,pushy punches to pry open Joshua's tight guard when he's planning on hitting him upstairs.

They werent all power punches. Not all punches thrown meant with KO intentions.

 

Pacquiao has always had great stamina like he could run marathons. Now with better training technique and being able to eat instead of dehydrating to make weight, his energy and stamina levels during a fight should not be surprising. Add his quickness and unorthodox fighting style and heart, then you'll find a special fighter.

 

so anyone that surpass wilfredo benitez, a guy known for not training for his fights, is definitely using steroids lol

 

Thats a given Bula......not every punch has the same force behind it.......

.....but one thing I did when I re-watched the fight on HBO (I watched the live broadcast on a live not so clear stream)......I paid attention to the effort behind Pacquiao's punches.......I really want to be fair about what I observe when I'm accusing Pacquiao.......

Pacquiao threw alot of power punches Bula......more than enough to merited even the most conditioned fighter take a round or two off to catch another wind.

.......Pac seemed not to be bothered by the fact that he was throwing and exherting alot of energy and not doing much damage.....
....the most conditioned fighter would hold back for fear of punching himself out.......but Pac just kept throwing as if punching himself out just is'nt an option with him.


One of the things that a PED user experiences is fast recovery times after exherting alot of energy........this is'nt the sole evidence..... there just too much of it.......but on this one, Pac seems so secure when he's punching nonstop that his tank does'nt have a bottom.

 

Or maybe, the guy's one of those 15 round type fighters.

TV commentators (the ones we receive here in the Philippines, at least) always have said, since his earlier US fights back in the early 2000's, that the kid would have been a good old school 15 round fighter.

Many of those old school guys could sustain good action for more than 12 rounds.

 

Thats just it, there's an excuse for everything......

.....the bottom line and you know this Bula, is that there is good reason for the suspicion.......any fighter that would be in Pac's position would be concsious of it.

......and knowing that, is baffling to me why Pac would act so suprised that he's being targeted for a PED test.

Get real man.....you go up that many divisions and are still operating just as good as he was 4 and 5 years ago and 4 and 5 weight divisions ago?????

.....C'mon man, any fighter that would have done that would be the target of suspicioun.


"Mayweather is doing this, he is doing that, he's defaming my name, he's scared, its Mayweather excuses thats why the fight is not happening.".......

....yeah, blame everything on everybody else. What Pac's done is'nt unprecedented that no one has the right to be suspicious.:roll: