Pacfans - Enlighten me please!

I don't know if he's on PEDs or not, but it's a legit question. Just simply name me one other fighter who peaked at their 8th and 9th weight class, after turning 30?

 

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Marquez had the cojones to get in the ring with Pac, there's a start.

I think Floyd is more concerned with Marquez tasting canvas 4 times and having his knees buckled on 2 other occasions in the rematch than with Marquez's counterpunching. Hence the stalling and steroid allegations

 

To BIGREG

What you fail to realise is that I'm not on this bull**** Pac v Floyd thing. I will always support Pac but I'll give Floyd full credit if he wins. Pac too. You know why I can give Pac full credit for beating Floyd? Because I'm not tearing Floyd apart and making him out to be a crap fighter like joyboys are doing with Pac.

So assuming pac is an overhyped media creation, you still wanna give Floyd credit? .........Amazing. You can't have it both ways.


I believe in Pac and think he'll win but I'm not the one making all these threads asking joyboys to justify why they believe in their man. I aint getting all worked up cuz some joyboy said something dumb so now I gotta make a thread about it and call them the dumbest fans in boxing. I'm not talking bout the TS, but people in general who are always on that fans vs fans ****.

**** the rankings, **** where he is ranked. What do you believe? Do you believe Pac will win? What do the bookies believe? If May wins of course he's ****in amazing and head and shoulders above the rest. Like I said, you're talking to a real fan of the sport. I'm not gonna be a ***** and not give Floyd credit so no need to play that game with me. I'll say it for the millionth time. I think Floyd is a great fighter. Now if we turn it around and Pac wins, will YOU give pac credit? Will the TS give him credit? That's the question.

 

Difference is Marquez's aggression in the second fight. Mayweather will not be as aggressive and if he tries, it would not be something he would not feel comfortable doing.

To those who say the Mosley fight proves Mayweather can fight aggressive are wrong. That was more a stand-in-front-of-the-opponent type aggression while Marquez was a keep-punching-so-he-can't type aggression.

 

Marquez has a much higher ring IQ, is a counterpuncher, and actually can throw effective punches with both hands. He's also a better defensive fighter and is quicker. Cotto is essentially a one handed fighter with average ring IQ and below average defensive abilities. He's not a natural counterpuncher and is at his best when he can press the attack and overpower his opponent.

 

It's a different situation. Floyd who was born into boxing from a young age with the history of pro boxers had an early foudation. PAC didn't.

He had all the same god given tools and abilities that Floyd had but he didn't have the resources or foundation to reach his potential or his PEAK until later in his career.

Floyd for years has been above and beyond his peers based mostly on being far more talented and skilled. Manny did well being as raw as he was b/c of those same gifts.

But he was a clean slate coming from PI. He was very raw...one demensional and predictable. He had incredible stamina and very deceptive speed and was relentless. That helped him become a world champion at the lower weights but he's actually been able to harnest the ability and improve with Roach b/c he was pretty much an open book.

People have a hard time accepting Manny's improvements in a short period of time b/c he's getting better and better. He's continuing ot dominate and defy logic....but at the end of the day he's gotten to this point latter in his career b/c of his late encounter with Freddie.

 

No one is saying Pac is a crap fighter. They're saying he doesn't match up well with Floyd. Frazier was a damn good fighter, but got destroyed twice by Foreman because it was a poor matchup for Frazier.

Why not? Right now, Manny is considered the better p4p fighter, the best fighter of the last decade, and the higher atg. So if people see him as overhyped after Mayweather whoops him, he has to fall below Mayweather in all the rankings.

Go right ahead. You'll get plenty of informed opinions as to why Mayweather would win.

If Pacquiao wins, he'll get all the credit in the world. We already know that. Hell, he gets plenty of props for beating a shot, weight drained Morales who had just got his ass kicked by Raheem. You know everyone will give him credit for beating a Mayweather who's sitll operating at an extremely high level.

 

JMM vs. Pac. @ 130, Pac. was no longer fully effective as he had grown out of that division. As Pac. has moved up, every positive aspect of his game has come with him, with the exception of power, but his speed advantages have increased allowing his power to be effective by landing punches that his opponents don't see. If Floyd fights like JMM he's going to put himself in a position to take more punches from Pac. That's not Floyd's best stratedgy vs. Pac. Some may say, Floyd took the fight to Mosley, he'll do the same to Pac, but that won't be Floyd's best answer either. Pac's movement and reflex speed is far superior to Mosley. It's going to be a great fight if it comes off. I favor Floyd based on his adaptability, but would not be at all surprised if Pac. overwhelms him with his constant movement, angles, and ability to continue exchanges even when being hit.

 

See, to all that **** I can say that Manny punches harder than Zab, is quicker than Oscar, has better footwork than Zab, has a higher punch output and stamina than Oscar, etc etc etc.

Manny is not like Castillo but that wasn't even the point.

At the end of the day Floyd is not Marquez and Pac is not Castillo. Pac has never faced someone like Floyd and vice versa.

 

This is obvious, of course Pac falls below the rankings but you can't trash on his skills and then say "oh but Floyd should get credit because according to the MEDIA Pac was superman" Like I said, **** the ranking, **** the media. What do you think? Obviously you don't think much of him. So why give Floyd credit if he wins. Don't use the media excuse cuz only your opinion matters in this case.

See, you're talking about the media again and not yourself. The media gives Pac credit but here you are taking another cheap shot at him. Don't mention Cotto or Barrera, according to you the he gets props just for beating Morales and not all his other achievements.

Why does Floyd get props? Cuz he beat up on a fat Marquez? No of course not. It's cuz he's also beaten Oscar, Corrales, Mosley etc. You're a hater, plain and simple.

 

Pac looks better since JMM, because since JMM he's only fought fighters on the way out, or B level fighters.

 

Like I alluded to in my previous post, not all fighters the same!

What you said right there, can be applied to Floyd too. He began as a Super-featherweight, winning titles all the way up to Junior-middleweight, without showing a hint of declining! That's not too different from Pacquiao, who by the way began fighting professionally at 16! With his body being far from developed, and with him training to lose weight at such a tender age, of course he's going to be at the far lower end of the weights!

I honestly look at it this way, Considering Pac's tale of the tape (reach, height etc) he was always born to be a 135-140 fighter. Him fighting below that in his younger days, was simply a case of him draining to make weight.

Now how has he peaked at the age of 30 and in the extreme end of his weight capacity? Well part of that is due to the natural gifts he's always possessed, the fact that he now trains to fight (not to make weight), and of course his improved in-ring skills. Combine all these elemants, and you have a heck of a fighter, one that you don't see too often

 

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so which really is it, PEDs or he cherry-picks his opponents?