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Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by steelem, Mar 15, 2008.

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Spearmint Rhino, Oct 28, 2011

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I had this for Pac, I need to watch it again. I remember agreeing with the commentators on the rounds but they had it for JMM and I had it for Pac, which is weird, so I maybe miscalculated

teeto, Oct 28, 2011

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I was trying to find an RBR for the fight because I was reading some thread on the ****** room about the 3rd fight, someone claiming that Pacquiao was a clear winner.

Not sure why I bumped this actually, it's a Friday and I've got sweet FA to do.

I'll find the ''Brit forum scores.....'' thread, think I had Marquez by a couple.

Spearmint Rhino, Oct 28, 2011

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robpalmer135 said: ↑

Hatton beats Pac, pac will have no power above 135 and wont be able to take the punishment. his hand speed will also drop.
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izmat, Oct 28, 2011

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This was my card for the second fight the last time I scored, with a wee bit of RBR analysis too.....

Love this one......

1. Even 10-10

Both are slightly tentative in the opening round, Marquez's footwork keeps him at range and forces Pacquiao to lean in with his punches, but doesn't really counter that much with good, solid punches. Each land a couple of good shots, Marquez a few rights and Pacquiao as usual the left.

2. Marquez 10-9.

This is more the type of fight we'd expect, Pacquiao coming forward and looking to unload lots of power shots, Marquez giving ground and looking to punish Pacquiao when he throws the left. In this instance I take Marquez's control of the round and effective lead lefts over the aggressive but not particularly effective Pacquiao. I don't think Pacquiao was particularly hurt at the end, more off balance. Could be 10-9 either way or even.

3. Pacquiao 10-8

In the early exchanges, much like the 2nd round you see Marquez controlling the fight, using Pacquiao's aggression against him at times and making him tentative. Until Pacquiao makes a late rally it looks like it's his round again, then bang! Down he goes at the end of the round, then nearly down again.

Note - one thing I'm noticing is that the Compubox numbers aren't really reflecting what you see in the ring...... Lampley makes a point that Pacquiao landed twice what Marquez did in the first, the reverse in the second, but both rounds to me are pretty close.

4. Pacquiao 10-9.

Marquez to me still seems a bit groggy after the KD in the last round and eats plenty of solid shots early in the round. At times he pushes Pacquiao back, but isn't particularly effective and goes back to his original plan. A decent little rally at the end, but still Pacquiao pretty clearly.

5. Marquez 10-9.

Back to the sort of fight Marquez wants. His defence is generally sound and he causes Pacquiao to lose patience and counters with some really good right hands. Most of Pacquiao's punches fall short, the ones that land are generally rolled or not right on the button.

6. Marquez 10-9.

Marquez's best round of the fight so far, he's toying with Pacquiao at times, controlling the range, and taking the left hand away completely almost. Lands some very good left hooks of his own. The commentators make some good points about how the gameplans of the two are working.

7. Even 10-10.

Hard round to score, both have their fair share of success on the outside, and when they both open up on each other. Not sure what fight Emanuel Steward is watching right now.

8. Marquez 10-9.

Again, Marquez is controlling the pace and form the round takes. Pacquiao cut early, takes him completely out of his rhythm as he spends lots of time clowning Marquez lands some solid shots in combinations. Looks like Pacquiao might be wearing down......

9. Pacquiao 10-9.

Much like the 7th round, a hard round to score, with both men having their share of success. Marquez controlled, Pacquiao wild. In this instance I sense Pacquiao doing more damage than Marquez, and score as such.

10. Pacquiao 10-9.

Is Marquez starting to fade? He has his moments in this one but generally he's on the retreat as Pacquiao starts to get his left hand going.

Note - this fight is a lot closer than I remember it being!

11. Marquez 10-9.

The battle of the right hands, Marquez wins. Pacquiao throws plenty more but isn't particularly accurate barring a late rally. I prefer his economy and accuracy over the hustle and bustle from Pacquiao.

12. Marquez 10-9.

Probably Marquez's 2nd best round of the fight, avoiding some wild left handed haymakers from Pacquiao and landing good punches of his own, especially the uppercut.

Summary - a great fight with something for everybody, blood, guts and skill in equal measure. Lots of the rounds can be scored on what you prefer - and is certainly closer than I remember it being live. It only enforces how bad the decision was in the first fight, and how much Pacquiao had improved in those years since then.

Juan Manuel Marquez 115-114 Manny Pacquiao
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Spearmint Rhino, Oct 28, 2011

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Thi thread is amazing!

Bryn, Oct 28, 2011

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Nice bump

wow_junky, Oct 28, 2011

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Some hilarious posts in this thread!

ImElvis666, Oct 28, 2011

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Haha just read the first few posts!

sud2002, Oct 28, 2011

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Ha you have to laugh but we all make big mistakes now and again with our opinions, but Pavlik better than Pac. Nice!

skel1983, Oct 28, 2011

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SHOCKING!!!! But slightly understandable.

I had it to Marquez 115-112 both times I scored it.

Flea Man, Oct 28, 2011

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I can't laugh at too many in this thread, someone could easily dig up some of my posts and be like atsch

Bryn, Oct 28, 2011

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Just read through this thread. Wow. Just wow.

I understand that Pac, since late 2008, has gone on to reach levels far beyond what we thought he was capable of. But, the extent to which he was being underrated in this thread, even back in 2008, is shocking. Proper shocking. I mean, Joe ****ing Calzaghe above Pacquiao in the P4P rankings? Were you serious? Kelly Pavlik?

Uncle Rico, Oct 28, 2011

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izmat said: ↑

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At the time I'd say that was a fair assessment. It is funny to look back though, I know I thought Pac would lose to DLH, Hatton and Cotto...

Smudger, Oct 28, 2011

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robpalmer135 said: ↑

Hatton beats Pac, pac will have no power above 135 and wont be able to take the punishment. his hand speed will also drop.
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brown bomber said: ↑

Oh definately... I wouldn't of fancied his chances against Diaz either.. though may have to review that... Watched it the otherday. Campbells tactics were spot on.
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