I agree with you but Pac had only one or two fights left before he hangs up his gloves to pursue his political ambition. As much as I want Pac to fight these live fighters, it would in effect, deny Pac a few million $ more (10-15million approximately) he stands to earn in fighting an old and shot Mosley or unretired and rusty Floyd or Margo left-over Cotto!
He weighed 108 when he was 17. Mayweather weighed the same when he was that age. They would be fighting as grown men in 2009 and weigh the same right now. If you want to argue that Mayweather has a slight height advantage and a significant reach and arm length advantage I wouldn't disagree with you. Ironically, nobody is arguing that.
I didn't blame Hatton's loss on a mental breakdown. Does anybody read anything anymore?? I think Hatton would have lost anyway, but you have to admit he fought a stupid fight and did not execute the gameplan that Mayweather Sr. devised and what they worked on in training for several weeks. I gave Manny credit for the spectacular knockout and for stopping De La Hoya, but my point is that if you look deeper into it you might find as I did that he is being a tad overrated right now. Again, if he beats Mayweather even by a razon thin decision I will give him all the credit in the world and elevate him to the God status that he now enjoys.
hmm says... If you didn't want to make it seem like a "mental breakdown"/ he never recovered from his loss then why emphasize it? gee that's one whole paragraph son and I was only focusing on your analysis/excuse and nothing else.
With the exception of the first fight with Moralles, his losses were back when he was a 16 year old teenager and a weight drained 21 year old. Do you think it was a coincidence that he jumped 2 divisions (10 lbs which was about 10% of his body weight) after the second loss? It's ridiculous to call a 30 year old man a blown up flyweight beating Junior Welterweights. If that's the case, Mayweather is as well because at 16, Mayweather weighed 106 when he won the National Golden Gloves title. At this stage of their lives and careers, they weigh the same.
A lost is a lost. You are the one who said that getting KOd will decrease a boxer's performance. Even if a boxer's lost is from his early career, that kind of lost is still devestating to the boxer. It doesn't matter how young/inexperience he is or weight drained he is. Getting stopped at an early round can cause most boxers to crash and end their careers early. And you shouldn't compare Floyd's amateur career to Manny's career because Floyd started as an amateur when he was 16. It's alot different than starting as a pro-boxer when you're 16 years old. I don't understand the statement that you made. I high lighted it in red. Please elaborate.
:verysad this is crazy. the pacman, overrated? IMO, he is underrated. 5 or 6 division (not sure) champion, keeps knocking out much bigger guys! when will the haters ever wake up to the fact that this man, pacquiao, is something special!
How exactly is Pac being overrated? Outside of the nuthuggers, I think Pac is getting the praise he deserves. Here's what I gathered from all the articles I've read after the fight: 1. Pre-hatton, many still believed that JMM should be # 1 P4P, but after the fight, it's almost univerally agreed that right now Pac is #1. Do you think this is overrating Pac? 2. Many think that even with the return of PBF, Pac is still #1 until PBF proves otherwise since PBF hasn't exactly been busy lately. Do you think this is overrating Pac? 3. Almost everyone describes Pac now as having immense punch power, great speed, accuracy and improved (but not the best) defense. Do you think this is overrating Pac? 4. Not one journalist has said that Pac will run over PBF, Cotto or Shane. At best they give him a good chance against Cotto (at a catchweight), a much smaller chance against Shane (at a catchweight) and at best, 50-50 chances against PBF (at a catchweight). Do you think this is overrating Pac? 5. Many are considering him an ATG but still far away from the likes of SRR, Duran and still lower than SRL. Do you think this is overrating Pac? Sure people are heaping praises on him, but IMO it is much deserved, especially considering how many doubters he had pre-Hatton. Of course if you listen to the nuthuggers, he certainly is overrated. But that's what nuthuggers do, it's part of their job description to say things like 1. Pac will murder PBF 2. Pac is top 10 or the greatest of all time P4P. 3. Pac will use Valuev's nuts as speedbags Im sure if you learn to filter out the nuthuggers, you will see that Pac is getting just what he deserves. If you're actually trying to argue with the nuthuggers, well good luck but that is just a lost cause.
Larry Merchant and a couple of other respected writers are now comparing Pac to Henry Armstrong (a guy who many historians rank right behind Robinson at #2 all time P4P). Need I say more in regards to him being overrated?
I actually did look deeper and found that what he's done is still impressive. Hatton didn't look or act as if he showed a dented chin or psychological effects from the floyd loss. Actually he was boosted mentally. He actually felt he did "WELL" in his fight with Floyd but got caught by the perfect shot. He felt Floyd was a far harder task than PAC when they decided to pair up. His confidence with his great performance over a skilled fighter like Paulie gave him a nice mental edge in fact. DLH...PAC just completely dominated the way he should have "IF"...and i say "IF" DLH was shot or weight drained. No one really knows the true case....had Hatton done better against PAC like so many (including Oscar) thought he would...then maybe the weight drained or "Shot Oscar" case would have some validity.....But of course PAC dominated yet again and the question is still floating around. I just think PAC beat a past his prime DLH...the same thing that Floyd had done a year earlier. Only PAC crushed DLH in an outstanding performance where Floyd had a very close decision.
I think there is to much analyzing this crap. Pac fought the top guy of the 140Ib division and crushed him, regardless if he's been knockout before. Even Diaz, as much as people talk down on the guy, he had a belt and was a world champion. Pac has had some legitimate wins.
Your statement was that people are not overrating him, and I gave you one respected boxing analyst who has. I'll give you another one: Max Kellerman. Max Kellerman love him or hate him is a very respected boxing historian who now compares Pac to Henry Armstrong (who again is in many people's top 3 all time P4P greats list). Personally, I feel that many modern great fighters deserve as much or more respect than many of the older fighters, but for some reason in boxing people don't want to even entertain the thought of a modern great being as good or better than a great fighter who has been 6 feet under for decades. I think Pac is a great fighter who could end up going down as great or greater than Armstrong but I feel that Mayweather will be that guy because after he beats Pac, he will have gone 41-0 through 5 divisions, beaten the guy who people are comparing to Henry Armstrong, and on top of that having insane skills. Mayweather is basically a smaller, less likable Sugar Ray Leonard with better defense.
Tell me a fighter who more or less approximates Armstrong exploits. Heck, had delahoya got title on 147, its more than Armstrong. Those guys are comparing because they saw the similarity of achievements. You call that over rating? Read again: COMPARISON THRU ACHIEVEMENTS! lol at Mayweather beating Pac. Its not a done deal and till it is a reality, then we can only talk about your 41-0 thru 5 divisions gutfeel crap, just make it happen 1st.