Pacquiao is a Weak P4P No1 ?

Coming down in weight would be an issue if it was so document on 24/7 how easy it was to make the weight and how strong he feels. Being 35 isn't exactly old considering that DLH just went 12 rounds with a guy similar in size who was the P4P best just 12 months ago...if that. DLH is still a better fighter than most at 147 or 154.

Coming down makes it an advantage still for Oscar as he is clearly the bigger man. JOe didn't fight Nard or Joe in their primes....but the wins were still good...however PAC's moving up to 147 is cleary more of a challenge than ANYTHING or ANYONE Joe has faught. PAC isn't about titles...he's stated tha before...he just wants to make the best fights possible. Belts are not that important in his eyes.

 

Pacman is 29 and has been in and beaten the like's of Barrera, Morales and Marquez (some might say) and now he's facing DLH, He's won Title's at 4 different weight's If he beat's DLH he'll probably fight Hatton and Mayweather could be sniffing around also imo, When Calzaghe was 29 he was fighting Will Mcintyre and Mario Veit at the same weight class as he started his career.
I love Calzaghe but Pacman is no 1 no question, he is not weak he has fought the best and looked for the toughest fight's unlike Calzaghe at the same stage of his career!

 

Could Calzgahe beat past prime post injury Vitali Klitschko? Doubt it. Could Floyd beat past prime BHop? Doubt it. Same reasons why Pac who was a flyweight has very slim chance in beating a past prime former MW, thats 12 weight divisions apart!!!

DLH maybe past prime but he still smacked about the iron chinned Mayorga, went SD with former much bigger p4p #1 PBF and decisively beat Forbes whom Berto equally struggled with.

You are an idiot sir.

 

quote=charlievintStyles have nothing to do with the Depth and substance on a pro boxers resume. The P4P ranks are based on who you fight, how much you dominate and how well you can move between weight classes and still win or dominate.

I'm a man who gives great value to Floyd beating an Emmanuel Augustus along with any fighter beating any good contender period. That is neither here nor there.


PAC moved up in weight b/c when he started out he was a boy competing in a mans game. At 16 PAC was less than 100 lbs and began his pro career. Getting KO'd at 16 and 17 yrs old in a sport like boxing isn't reason to bring up the past and critique given the surronding circumstances.

I bring it up because other have started that young and were undefeated. We don't count those losses of PAc anyway, but if you mention that he did win a flyweight title, then you have to mention who he lost to.

The Diaz win was a legit win as was Jones and JT beating the WBA heavyweight champion at the time in Ruiz. It's easy to brush off a signifigant win like that when you are clearly biased and eager to make a point....unfortunately your point has no validity.

Diaz was a bum, and Jones was finished!

PAC beating Diaz is a nice win....not his biggest but very good. It was against a bigger man and the champion at the time. Had Pac edged Diaz then one could question his ability and his "HYPE"....but PAC DOMINATED Diaz completely in what was one of the most one sided beat downs I've ever witnessed.

Pac didn't beat the true lightweight champ just as Jones didn't beat the true heavyweight champ. I can tell you this, Ruiz was better than Diaz.

BTW Roy got credit fore being the only LHW to grab a portion of the HW crown in over 100 yrs.

There are posters out there who think that Jones beating Ruiz is a great win, and it is, but Jones didn't beat Lennox.

 

one thing to take into account there is pac was to big for the lower weights so the comparisons made don't fit that well imho.

 

I was going to answer your post, but it is so assinine and stupidly thought out, I just didn't bother to waste my time.

 

I respect Joe bro, but seriously he can't be #1 yet. I can see him being #2(even though I think JMM has that spot). But #1? He hasn't done enough to overtake Pacquiao.

All he has in his resume is beating Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins and Roy Jones. Lacy was never that good of a fighter, he's decent IMO. PRIME Kessler was a very good win, same with a past prime but still very good Hopkins. As for Roy Jones, he's pretty much shot. So we can't credit him much for it. So in actuality your basically just looking at Kessler and Hopkins.

Pacquiao on the other hand has wins over the then P4P #3 and still PRIME MAB back in their first fight. He lost a fight against Morales but came and avenged it in ther second and third fights. Morales was shot by the 3rd fight, but the Morales of the 2nd fight was no doubt still PLENTY dangerous and was one of the best fighters at 130 alongside MAB and JMM(I remember ALOT of people including many Filipinos picking EM over Pac in the rematch). Then last but not least Pac has a draw and a win over the current P4P #2 or #3 and PRIME fighter in JMM.

So all in all Joe has Kessler and Hopkins, while Pacquiao has MAB, EM and JMM. If you compare them to each other, its easy to see how Pac is ahead over Joe. Kessler clearly couldn't hold the jockstraps of the MAB of the first Pac fight and JMM. I don't think even think he's a better and more dangerous fighter than the EM of the 2nd Pac fight(who, if I remember correctly, was still ranked in the P4P top 10 at the time). So basically the only comparable win that Joe has with Pac is Hopkins. Thats 1 legend(Hopkins) against 2 legends(Morales and Barrera). Then if you compare JMM and Hopkins right now, JMM is ranked ahead of B-Hop in the P4P rankings. And JMM right now is a better fighter than the current B-Hop IMO.

Pacquiao > Calzaghe IMO.

 

Who he fought early on is of no consequence, the fact is he has beaten a list of better P4P guys than Calzaghe and has won world titles in more weight classes too. Please study before you try to make an argument.

 

The man weigh's in at 147 in his pre-fight weigh ins. If I thought Pac was going to be at a disadvantage, I'd post it. I just don't see it.

 

You don't know boxing, don't post here anymore

 

Power, Height, Reach.....ect. Physical attributes are considered an advantage by all accounts....PAC has the youth, speed and reflexes on his side. The question is how will the size factor into the outcome of the fight.

 

You twat!

 

Pac could easily make 130 if he wanted too, he certainly isnt too big for the weights. He is 5'6 for ffs, DLH is 5'11". I remember DLH being favourite over PBF because of the size advantage, well triple that size advantage in this fight.

People get fight night weight vs fight weight. Some people just naturally blow up more.

There was a time when all experts were saying Pac was physically past prime at 130 and his physical prime was 126...suddenly he is now a natural 147lber? Ridiculous. If Pac wins this fight, its cos he is a freak of nature. I would not expect any other 130lber to jump to 135 for 1 fight and then beat DLH. Not JMM, MAB, Morales(pre Pac), Guzman, Campbell, Juan Diaz, Castillo, Corrales etc. None of them could come close and their not bad fighters either.

 

the whole point is he isn't a natural 126 or under fighter he was weight drained to some degree and also very young at the much lower weights. I agree it would be a massive win but comparing it to calzaghe vs vitali or anything like that is just foolish.

 

where did all these haters come from? atsch