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Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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as far as the negotiations go...i know what everyone else does. i won't trash anyone b/c the fight is or isnt made or how its made so long as it is. as much as i would love to be i'm not at the table w/ arum and goosen so my opinion on the contract negotiations means **** all....but i'm getting sick and tired of everyone trashing kelly.

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. there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever. personally...deep down...i'd rather not see pav/williams b/c i like ptp and don't want to see him end up like jermain in a heap under steve smoger but i know in my heart that is what will happen. the thing is the fight HAS to happen just to settle all this. pav is not scared of paul and paul is not scared of pav. this is the biggest fight that can be made at mw. i just hope that arum and goosen can tolerate each other long enough to make this fight happen...
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I doubt this very much!!!!! Pavlik is way to slow(probably the slowest fighter PW has faced in his career) and the most flat footed! Stylistically Kelly is very simple and i think most of you Pavlik fans are hoping Pavlik catches PW with a shot that will "starch" him but I'll put my money on the more gifted fighter that night!!!!!

The other day you mentioned that Kelly was a "bigger version" of Margarito yet the "little version" of Margarito has way more punching combinations than Pavlik and is alot more relentless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You know D after KP's last fight, I posted how before at 160 I was pretty certain of an AA win over KP, but one thing I did not notice about KP in his fights before and that was his uppercuts he was throwing, VERY BRUTAL, something a lot of boxers don't try against AA, I KNOW KP will be looking for those uppercuts if he ever faces AA. ANother thing KP did perfectly was the body shots, MAN, placed PERFECTLY! ANother thing a lot of boxers don't do so often against AA. Anyway to make a long story short, I told Hermit that if that KP, AT 160 against AA? I think KP would be favored. 168 is A VERY DIFFERENT STORY. Even Hermit said he liked the way AA looks at SMW.
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I'm gonna ask this question!!! Do you think a boxer would be willing to take more risk and/or try new things against a low level fighter?

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I doubt this very much!!!!! Pavlik is way to slow(probably the slowest fighter PW has faced in his career) and the most flat footed! Stylistically Kelly is very simple and i think most of you Pavlik fans are hoping Pavlik catches PW with a shot that will "starch" him but I'll put my money on the more gifted fighter that night!!!!!

The other day you mentioned that Kelly was a "bigger version" of Margarito yet the "little version" of Margarito has way more punching combinations than Pavlik and is alot more relentless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i can't tell if your just winding people up or if your really serious. williams is a great fighter and what he brings to the table is too much for anyone 147-154 to handle. i firmly believe this. i believe in my heart that williams would/could beat anyone 147-154. but you are out of your mind if you think williams will keep kelly off him at 160. you really arent being fair at all.

kelly took right hands for 7 rounds from a guy who put people through the ropes at 160 before leaving him slumped in the ropes. that is a fact. that is not hyperbole. list one person williams can say that about. williams gets hit just like kelly does.

i also firmly believe you havent watched anything but the hopkin/kelly fight. if you had you wouldnt be saying this.

haha relentless??!! how bout picking youself up off the canvas to ko the undefeated undispute mw champ?? relentless?? what the hell else are you if you do that and you aint relentless?? ask miranda who is relentless.
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Pavlik/Martinez is set for April. Arum and DiBella will officially announce it early next week. I wonder what Mr Hu will say after Pavlik leaves Martinez slumped on tha canvass.

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Pavlik/Martinez is set for April. Arum and DiBella will officially announce it early next week. I wonder what Mr Hu will say after Pavlik leave Martinez slumped on tha canvass.
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right now martinez is an atg...he is as slick as hopkins and has the power to stop kelly. when kelly stops him it will be back to business as usual

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i can't tell if your just winding people up or if your really serious. williams is a great fighter and what he brings to the table is too much for anyone 147-154 to handle. i firmly believe this. i believe in my heart that williams would/could beat anyone 147-154. but you are out of your mind if you think williams will keep kelly off him at 160. you really arent being fair at all.

kelly took right hands for 7 rounds from a guy who put people through the ropes at 160 before leaving him slumped in the ropes. that is a fact. that is not hyperbole. list one person williams can say that about. williams gets hit just like kelly does.

i also firmly believe you havent watched anything but the hopkin/kelly fight. if you had you wouldnt be saying this.

haha relentless??!! how bout picking youself up off the canvas to ko the undefeated undispute mw champ?? relentless?? what the hell else are you if you do that and you aint relentless?? ask miranda who is relentless.
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MR. Hu doesnt reply to facts--he wont respond.
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whats sad is willimas loud mouth talking smack and now falling off the face of the earth. pavlik would decapitate the idiot and you know it.
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You're floggin' a dead horse there, dude.

Everybody knows the score on this one.

The fight was signed. Williams agreed

Then it got postponed. Williams agreed again.

Then Pav tried to postpone it again and Williams rightly moved on to a serious opponent.

BTW, Pav then fought some nobody a week or so after the agreed date with Williams.

You can blame Pav's handlers (yet again) or his infection.

But only a complete ****in' moron would try to make a case that Williams ducked Pav.

Anyway, IMO, Martinez edged Williams in their fight and it seems Pav will now face Martinez. A good challenge for both men.

A win there would put your boy back in the game.

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You're floggin' a dead horse there, dude.

Everybody knows the score on this one.

The fight was signed. Williams agreed

Then it got postponed. Williams agreed again.

Then Pav tried to postpone it again and Williams rightly moved on to a serious opponent.

BTW, Pav then fought some nobody a week or so after the agreed date with Williams.

You can blame Pav's handlers (yet again) or his infection.

But only a complete ****in' moron would try to make a case that Williams ducked Pav.

Anyway, IMO, Martinez edged Williams in their fight and it seems Pav will now face Martinez. A good challenge for both men.

A win there would put your boy back in the game.
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WOW-PAVLIK IS CHAMP OWNEDhi:

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KELLY FANS COME EXPLAIN YOUR LOGIC HERE

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200416

IF U REALLY HAVE A GOOD REASON THAN EXPLAIN AND VOTE...

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i can't tell if your just winding people up or if your really serious. williams is a great fighter and what he brings to the table is too much for anyone 147-154 to handle. i firmly believe this. i believe in my heart that williams would/could beat anyone 147-154. but you are out of your mind if you think williams will keep kelly off him at 160. you really arent being fair at all.

kelly took right hands for 7 rounds from a guy who put people through the ropes at 160 before leaving him slumped in the ropes. that is a fact. that is not hyperbole. list one person williams can say that about. williams gets hit just like kelly does.

i also firmly believe you havent watched anything but the hopkin/kelly fight. if you had you wouldnt be saying this.

haha relentless??!! how bout picking youself up off the canvas to ko the undefeated undispute mw champ?? relentless?? what the hell else are you if you do that and you aint relentless?? ask miranda who is relentless.
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I've watched quite a few Pavlik fights and like i said early today in a thread is that KP is a good fighter not an elite fighter like 97% of the KP fans wan't to believe! I also said that what makes KP good is not his boxing skill or athletism(KP is slow and some what clumsy) but it is his durability, relentlesness and good power(not AA power)!! The problem is all you Pavlik fans fail to realize that KP is a fighter who needs to set his punches up to get off and Bhop who isn't known for speed or power beat him by just moving around and throwing Pavliks timing off!!

You mention Taylor but you know that Taylor prior to the KP fight had shown signs of running out of gas early in fights!

If Taylor wasn't gassed out in the 3rd round of the first fight you guys would not even remember Kelly Pavlik!!!

I respect KP for his win over JT but other than that he hasn't proven anything to me!!! By the way Miranda is a Brawler who comes straight foward and played into KP's boxing style!!!
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MR. Hu doesnt reply to facts--he wont respond.
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Just responded!!!!!
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I've watched quite a few Pavlik fights and like i said early today in a thread is that KP is a good fighter not an elite fighter like 97% of the KP fans wan't to believe! I also said that what makes KP good is not his boxing skill or athletism(KP is slow and some what clumsy) but it is his durability, relentlesness and good power(not AA power)!! The problem is all you Pavlik fans fail to realize that KP is a fighter who needs to set his punches up to get off and Bhop who isn't known for speed or power beat him by just moving around and throwing Pavliks timing off!!

You mention Taylor but you know that Taylor prior to the KP fight had shown signs of running out of gas early in fights!

If Taylor wasn't gassed out in the 3rd round of the first fight you guys would not even remember Kelly Pavlik!!!

I respect KP for his win over JT but other than that he hasn't proven anything to me!!! By the way Miranda is a Brawler who comes straight foward and played into KP's boxing style!!!
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and....

gave aa all he wanted as well.

don't trivialize what pav did to miranda. don't trivialize what miranda did to people prior to meeting pav. williams will get iced cold.
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gave aa all he wanted as well.

don't trivialize what pav did to miranda. don't trivialize what miranda did to people prior to meeting pav. williams will get iced cold.
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If your basing your assumption purely on styles then Williams wins a wide UD. Pavlik is not a southpaw and doesn't have fast hands!! It easier for PW to mimic Bhops style than it is for Pavlik to mimic Martinez let alone Quintana!!

Paul will bring twice the pressure as Bhop did and is more athletic!!

Let me know why you feel he will "ice" PW?
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If your basing your assumption purely on styles then Williams wins a wide UD. Pavlik is not a southpaw and doesn't have fast hands!! It easier for PW to mimic Bhops style than it is for Pavlik to mimic Martinez let alone Quintana!!

Paul will bring twice the pressure as Bhop did and is more athletic!!

Let me know why you feel he will "ice" PW?
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haha wow cuz come on.

i'll pretend i didnt hear this. i'll pretend i didnt hear you say that paul is in any way similar to hopkins or could mimic his style.

and i promise to give you a full analysis on why kelly will ice paul in due time. but in the mean time i gave darryl a full response to this with videos and the whole shibang but i can't do it right now on this **** computer out here in cali.

but i will tell you again, watch the ptp/margo fight and watch rounds 7-8 in particular. paul has corrected nothing from that fight. margo was smaller and paul didnt fight tall, did keep the smaller man out of range, didnt use his height and had nothing on his jab. he cannot do that against kelly. margo was landing to the body and paul backed off every time. then margo began landing at will w/ the right up top. its silly...paul should by laying people out and shouldnt get a glove laid on him in the process w/ his height and wing span but that just aint the way it is.
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haha wow cuz come on.

i'll pretend i didnt hear this. i'll pretend i didnt hear you say that paul is in any way similar to hopkins or could mimic his style.

and i promise to give you a full analysis on why kelly will ice paul in due time. but in the mean time i gave darryl a full response to this with videos and the whole shibang but i can't do it right now on this **** computer out here in cali.

but i will tell you again, watch the ptp/margo fight and watch rounds 7-8 in particular. paul has corrected nothing from that fight. margo was smaller and paul didnt fight tall, did keep the smaller man out of range, didnt use his height and had nothing on his jab. he cannot do that against kelly. margo was landing to the body and paul backed off every time. then margo began landing at will w/ the right up top. its silly...paul should by laying people out and shouldnt get a glove laid on him in the process w/ his height and wing span but that just aint the way it is.
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Very true!!!

I'm not saying PW is Bhop in any fashion but.......

If you wanna take the PW/AM and KP/BH fights into consideration then..........

Kelly Pavlik wasn't able to adjust to anything BHop did in that fight and although Margo had come back in the later rounds PW still showed in 11 and 12 that he could be the aggressor!!

What Margo did was adjust to Williams eventually where Pavlik could not adjust at all!!

People keep saying that if Pavlik fights Martinez that KP is gonna be in trouble but to tell you the truth we never seen KP fight a guy like Martinez so honestly I rather reserve the judgement although I know its gonna be a tough fight for both!!

In the case of PW fighting Martinez' I was not shocked with what happend at all in that fight cause if we go by history(Quintana and Mitchell) were vable to get shots off on PW!
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