Pavlik, Abraham and Kessler

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  1. Finn73

    Finn73 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kessler and Pavlik by decision, AA by KO. I'll go for AA.

    Kessler can't knock AA out, Pavlik I don't know...maybe he can in the later rounds, but I doubt it. AA can decide the fights against both fighters at any time. If Kessler and Pav would play it safe (Ottke style) they both would have good chances, if they would try to box offensive they'll make errors soon or later and then...game over...KO by AA. Pavlik would beat Kessler imho.
     
  2. Melbourneborn

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    I'll take A.A. of Kessler. Kessler's power isnt enough to stop A.A walking up.. and Im also not sold on Kesslers chin. And on top of that, rounds with A.A. would be tough, tough rounds. A guy who walks up and wears your shots on his arms to fire back bruising combinations when ya breath for 1sec? Not fun. And also extremely demanding in terms of fitness. I think Kessler slows in the mid rounds, and is caught big time a little later.
    Abraham TKO9 Kessler

    For A.A. and Pavlik.. i see a good fight. I think it goes the trip with Abrahams inactivity costing him rounds and Pavliks workrate winning him rounds. Pavlik will also use his superior (to A.A's) boxing ability here in the form of nice long punching to eek out a comfortable points decision along the lines of 116-112. I dont see A.A. hitting the canvas - Pavlik possibly.
    Pavlik UD Abraham

    And Pavlik - Kessler.. hmm, another good one. Kessler has underrated speed and head movement. I think he boxes too well for Pavlik. Both are pretty similar straight-up fighter.. a bit predictable.. but Kessler is slightly sharper by hand and foot. If he can avoid being hit by flurries on the ropes and comes in prepared to fight 12 hard rounds, ill give it to him at 168.
    Kessler UD Pavlik
     
  3. MasterFlo

    MasterFlo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Pavlik knocks them both out and Kessler decisions Abraham quite easily. I know it's crazy to say AA would get knocked out but Kelly has a high aggressive work rate and AA is sparatic just like Jermaine is. I also think Kelly would be too rough for Kessler and make him uncomftorable with all the pressure.
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Height, reach, over-all size, work rate, and stamina all go to Pavlik. Abraham throws 40 punches in a busy round. Pavlik often throws over 80, and occasionally throws over a 100 with 30-40% accuracy. Abraham fights about 30-60 seconds out of a given round. Pavlik will force him to work every second of every round. Abraham spends a **** load of time on the ropes or in a corner. That's right where Pavlik wants him. Pavlik has something like a 4 inch reach advantage, and if you consider how both men are built, that reach advantage no doubt translates into an enormous arm length advantage. Pavlik is extremely good at judging and maintaining distance. Arthur has a helluva punch, but he simply isn't fast enough to close that much distance before Kelly tags him. Before Abraham/Miranda we had only a few people backing Arthur to beat Kelly. Now we have a ton of them. People are over-rating Arthur because he knocked out a limited fringe contender who has sloppy offense and worse defense. Pavlik/Abraham is not going to be nearly as competetive as some think.
     
  5. Samurai

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    Pavlik vs Kessler - Kessler UD, just bigger, faster, stronger and better all-around.

    Abraham vs Pavlik - Can't decide on this one, some days I pick Arthur by brutal KO, others Pavlik by decision when I see how low AA's workrate is, I think "Pavlik will swamp him.". Dangerous fight, needs to happen ASAP

    Kessler vs Abraham - Kessler wins this fight very clearly. Bad matchup
     
  6. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    KESSLER tops this table.
     
  7. TFFP

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    Kessler TKO Pavlik - Beats Pavlik in every department except power - maybe. I don't see how he loses this, and we've seen Pavlik hurt against an average punching middleweight, hence the acculumation TKO

    Abraham KO Pavlik - I see him soaking up the punishment early on with his shell like defence, and catching Pavlik with huge counters when he is square on as prone to

    Kessler UD Abraham - I see him keeping distance with the jab, and fighting a discipilined fight. I don't see he'll be as open to regular bombs as Pavlik, and his footwork and speed is superior to manage the distance. Easily outworks him, 9-3
     
  8. pirlo

    pirlo Active Member Full Member

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    Kessler is at least one league lower than two others, I think both would stop him.

    And King Arthur vs the Ghost is a pick'em fight.
     
  9. Shaolin Box

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    Pavlik beats Kessler
    Pavlik beats Abraham
    Abraham beats Kessler
     
  10. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    Kessler beats both imo, either fairly 1 sided UD or KO and Pavlik beats Abraham, although that one I'm not 100% sure on. Arthur impressed against Miranda 2nd time out.
     
  11. BITCH ASS

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    The only thing that is certain in this is that Kessler puts a boxing clinic on AA.

    As far as Pavlik vs AA, it's up to whether or not Pavlik decides to box because if he does he reduces Abraham to having just a "punchers chance" at victory. If Pavlik goes right at him it's a fight that's 60/40 in Abraham's favor.

    When concerning Pavlik vs Kessler, Kessler is the superior boxer, but he can fight, and Pavlik is the superior fighter, but he can box. It's a 50/50 fight in my opinion.
     
  12. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    I think Kessler beats them all by UD.
     
  13. TFFP

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    Who hacked your account? :?
     
  14. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    I've been saying this the entire time. Just because I talk **** about how Kessler ducked Miranda doesn't mean that I don't think he would beat him.

    Mayweather likely ducked Cotto, but Mayweather would probably beat him too.

    As far as Abraham is concerned, I was just a little agitated because Amsterdam, who generally prefers skilled tacticians who can box, is so high on Abraham when the guy can't box.
     
  15. Thunderlips

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    Agreed.